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Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
10/1/10 11:21 p.m.

That tank look far from new or pristine. Just sayin'.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
10/2/10 7:08 a.m.
Appleseed wrote: That tank look far from new or pristine. Just sayin'.

and it could still blow up in your face.

my company lost 3 folks last year due to the improper handling of compressed gas cylinders. I just put together a large training effort for our world wide businesses for compressed gas safety. We do some highly specialized stuff and work with pressures way higher than anything you find in a store bought tank. In my company, if you transport a cylinder without a cap, you are fired on the spot. I've seen the pictures of what happens after you screw up handling some bigger tanks. Tanks that took off and punched through roofs..

Look the lesson here is, you need to treat these things like they are bombs, because they are.

In the future, I'll be sure not to share any more safety information, because it seems like those on this board don't like it.

93gsxturbo
93gsxturbo Reader
10/2/10 7:27 a.m.

Safety information, awesome.

Hype from an ambulance chaser, no first hand experience to back it up; not awesome.

Thanks to the wonders of the internet, anyone can look like an expert, and you prove that point to this board on an almost daily basis.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/2/10 7:44 a.m.
ignorant wrote: my company lost 3 folks last year due to the improper handling of compressed gas cylinders. I just put together a large training effort for our world wide businesses for compressed gas safety. We do some highly specialized stuff and work with pressures way higher than anything you find in a store bought tank. In my company, if you transport a cylinder without a cap, you are fired on the spot. I've seen the pictures of what happens after you screw up handling some bigger tanks. Tanks that took off and punched through roofs..

I watched the idiots at work drop a compressed gas cylinder that took off and landed a good couple hundred feet away.. thankfully nobody or anything was hurt. I understand the were laying down andit dropped, breaking off the valve area

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
10/2/10 8:09 a.m.

MAPP gas or propane or any kind of pressure vessel can pop if mishandled. Those small R134a refrigerant cans have a pressure relief in the bottom just in case some idiot figures out how to connect one to the high side of an A/C system.

I know a guy who nearly lost an eye when a bicycle tire exploded while he was airing it up. Several years ago, some of my dumb buddies and I chucked a can of pork and beans into a campfire just to see what would happen. Yep, it popped. Funny as hell (yes, alcohol was involved) and no one was hurt. But the point is, it was an intentionally mishandled can of pork and beans which could very well have been dangerous.

The Mythbusters water heater rocket episode is yet another example of the dangers of PV's. Of course, they had to disable the built in safety stuff such as pressure relief valves for that to even occur but yes there are idiots out there who will do just that. I have seen with my own eyes a faucet used to replace a relief valve.

Safety is always a concern. But I gotta agree that website, while it does point out the dangers of commonly available pressure vessels, is more of an ambulance chaser thing.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
10/2/10 11:23 a.m.
93gsxturbo wrote: Safety information, awesome. Hype from an ambulance chaser, no first hand experience to back it up; not awesome. Thanks to the wonders of the internet, anyone can look like an expert, and you prove that point to this board on an almost daily basis.

unless the thread relates to dsm's or diesels.. just keep out. You don't ever have anything constructive to say and have gotten smacked down by margie repeatedly for your idiocy.

anyway... mapp gas was last made in 2008 so this info is slightly dated.

btw.. this is retarded, you're attacking me for showing people something that could potentially get someone to think for second before doing something that could be unsafe... I understand the site is wonky, but to attack me for it is just plain ridiculous...

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
10/2/10 12:30 p.m.
Jensenman wrote: Several years ago, some of my dumb buddies and I chucked a can of pork and beans into a campfire just to see what would happen. Yep, it popped. Funny as hell (yes, alcohol was involved) and no one was hurt.

93gsxturbo
93gsxturbo Reader
10/2/10 4:32 p.m.

How about unless you have first hand experience, you just STFU, alright Iggy?

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
10/2/10 4:38 p.m.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
10/2/10 5:41 p.m.
93gsxturbo wrote: How about unless you have first hand experience, you just STFU, alright Iggy?

Right sorry.. forgot I affronted the GRM truthiness judge..

You obviously have seen through this vast intricate web of happenstance and conjecture that I have been weaving on these boards for years. How did you do it?

Taiden
Taiden Reader
10/2/10 5:57 p.m.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
10/2/10 5:58 p.m.

Is there an ignore feature on this board?

unevolved
unevolved HalfDork
10/2/10 6:17 p.m.
ignorant wrote: anyway... mapp gas was last made in 2008 so this info is slightly dated.

Wait, so once the stuff on the shelves is gone, it's gone? Dammit.

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
10/2/10 6:43 p.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote: Is there an ignore feature on this board?

There's an ignore thread.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
10/2/10 6:56 p.m.
Appleseed wrote:
93celicaGT2 wrote: Is there an ignore feature on this board?
There's an ignore thread.

So the ignore thread is the feature?

Taiden
Taiden Reader
10/2/10 7:18 p.m.

What's an alternative to MAPP gas?

unevolved
unevolved HalfDork
10/2/10 7:19 p.m.

Propane or Oxy/Acetylene.

Taiden
Taiden Reader
10/2/10 7:23 p.m.
unevolved wrote: Propane or Oxy/Acetylene.

So there is nothing that fits the happy medium that MAPP does?

Can't get oxy in hand held torches and mapp burns much hotter than propane.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
10/2/10 7:55 p.m.
Taiden wrote:
unevolved wrote: Propane or Oxy/Acetylene.
So there is nothing that fits the happy medium that MAPP does? Can't get oxy in hand held torches and mapp burns much hotter than propane.

there is an alternative. I can't remember the name.

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
10/2/10 8:15 p.m.
93celicaGT2 wrote: So the ignore thread is the feature?

porksboy
porksboy Dork
10/2/10 9:31 p.m.

I may have told of this experience here before but it bears telling again

I almost had my head separated from the confines of my shoulders by a 10# fire extinguisher. A porter knocked it off the wall hanger when he was emptying a trash can.The fall knocked the valve off at the neck below the threads= instant rocket. I heard him yell and looked over just in time to register the round red dot flying towards me. I dropped to the floor and the extinguisher went over me and put a 5" diameter dent about and inch deep into the C pillar of a 124 chassis 300E Mercedes. Of course no flame was involved and large quantities of adult beverages were consumed to supress frayed nerves.

This happened about 25 years ago when I was about 19 years old and still invincible so no lawyers nor OSHA bureaucrats were involved. Just the aforementioned libations. We learn from our mistakes and go on. My pressure cylinders are secured to imobile objects and cannot fall over or have anything fall into them, including my fire extinguishers.

archangel
archangel New Reader
12/4/10 9:26 a.m.
archangel wrote: Public document from a lawsuit in federal court seems to indicate that Mapp Gas cylinders are defective. https://acrobat.com/#d=x6jiG6nEW0u8npqikmax5Q
m4ff3w
m4ff3w GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/4/10 10:37 a.m.
ignorant wrote:
Taiden wrote:
unevolved wrote: Propane or Oxy/Acetylene.
So there is nothing that fits the happy medium that MAPP does? Can't get oxy in hand held torches and mapp burns much hotter than propane.
there is an alternative. I can't remember the name.

MAP/Pro

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed HalfDork
12/4/10 5:41 p.m.

I for one appreciate this post and thank the OP for putting it up. Each reader can make of it what they will regardless if it is based on facts or lies. Further research is but a click away.

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