Mazda 929 shenanigans

pres589 wrote: In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac: I am currently in a location where a tube of you's would not be smiled upon. Can you just tell me what kind of power you think is decently streetable & affordable out of a boosted JE-ZE? And what transmission you'd use to back that up? 300hp/350lb-ft of torque out of a well built & well fed F2T seems fine to me, FE3 sounds interesting but maybe you have a point (I don't know the motor that well as far as dyno graphs and usability on the street) and the V6's never really interested me. For some reason I like a V4 in a motorcycle and an inline-4 in most vehicles with four wheels.

Keep in mind this is theory at this point, but i'm guessing that 400whp wouldn't be out of the question at all out of the JE-ZE without cracking it open. I'm trying to find the thread, but i did read of a dude that swapped one into an FC RX7 then sprayed a 125 shot on top of it. From what i understand, it was SCARY fast and the motor took it like a champ. He DID also say that the motor responded VERY well to normal breathing mods, very choked from factory.

Transmission? I'd start with stock and see what happened. My guess is that it's similar in strength to the TII transmission. If it's not... then maybe TII guts in the 929 housing?

Mazdax605 wrote: I seemed to find a lot more of that generation 929 for sale a while back in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe Javelin can confirm or deny this fact. Actually it seemed they all semmed to be in the Portland/Seattle area when I was looking. I like the boxy style that I linked to 92Celica best, but the newer vintage had some cool features, but the body wasn't nearly as cool. Mostly these were lost in a see of Maxima's,Cressida's and the like but still cool cars. Luce is a much cooler name than 929 though.

Yeah, that body style is my preference as well.

Of course, i LOVE Cressidas.

My thought process is a Mazda equivalent of a 2jz-swapped Cressy.

This one looks promising:

http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/2812560034.html

ReverendDexter wrote:

mndsm wrote: I think we just need to scour Atlanta. If anyone's gonna have one, it'll be in ATL. Everything else is.

Everything? I thought most of the good '70s Japanese stuff was over here on the Left Coast.

You guys have a lot of it too, but the import nerd tax generally throws it out of the game for me. Have you seen what they want for a hachi out there these days? God forbid a kenmeri or a hakosuka landed in socal... it'd be mobbed to death in a week.

In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:

400whp would be something like, what, 460 to 475hp at the crankshaft, right? Will a TII trans deal with that after being reconditioned to as-new? I've only properly exploded one manual transmission and that was a Ford Type F but the problem wasn't gear strength, it was the main and cluster shafts being pushed apart by stupidly instant application of torque.

What I'm trying to say is, I wonder if this family of transmissions can deal with what you're talking about doing with it on a regular basis. Then again, if there's a streetable slipper clutch arrangement out there, you may be able to get something that lives behind the sort of power you're talking about. Or perhaps there's something like, say, a bellhousing to live between the JE-ZE and a T56 or maybe a Muncie M21 or A-833, etc etc.

Mazdax605 wrote: This one looks promising: http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/2812560034.html

Holy HELL that's clean.

I'm definitely going to hold out for a manual, though. I know they're out there, and that would significantly cut down on work needed.

I'm cool with motor swaps, but auto-manual conversions aren't something i'm comfy with.

pres589 wrote: In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac: 400whp would be something like, what, 460 to 475hp at the crankshaft, right? Will a TII trans deal with that after being reconditioned to as-new? I've only properly exploded one manual transmission and that was a Ford Type F but the problem wasn't gear strength, it was the main and cluster shafts being pushed apart by stupidly instant application of torque. What I'm trying to say is, I wonder if this family of transmissions can deal with what you're talking about doing with it on a regular basis. Then again, if there's a streetable slipper clutch arrangement out there, you may be able to get something that lives behind the sort of power you're talking about. Or perhaps there's something like, say, a bellhousing to live between the JE-ZE and a T56 or maybe a Muncie M21 or A-833, etc etc.

What do the big power TII guys do? That should be sufficient.

This wouldn't be a car that would live at the strip, and it would be a big turbo, so F2T-like scenario of "insta-torque" wouldn't be an issue.

I'm looking into it, but i really don't think it would much of an issue.

Even better:

http://www.teautox.com/inventory/view/4737121

Just the perfect shade of invisible.

YES PLEASE.

Mazdax605 wrote: Even better: http://www.teautox.com/inventory/view/4737121 Just the perfect shade of invisible.

I see that this is another car like the GD chassis cars in which the interior holds up way better than it should.

Yeah, I have no idea how my interior is as minty as it is. Also, I would imagine auto to manual wouldn't be that hard. The chassis existed as a manual, that means at least the holes for all the assemblies should be there, likely plugged with rubber plugs. Car's pre-damn near every kind of ECU ever, so you probably wouldn't have to do a whole lot to get the trans to talk to the rest of the car, if anything. Grab a master cylider and pedal assembly, and hell probably a trans out of a tII and do work.

mndsm wrote: Have you seen what they want for a hachi out there these days?

Yes, and it really frustrates the hell out of me because I'd like another but I'm not paying $5k for one nor completing someone's aborted GTSR5 swap.

I like the fact that it's RWD.

ReverendDexter wrote:

mndsm wrote: Have you seen what they want for a hachi out there these days?

Yes, and it really frustrates the hell out of me because I'd like another but I'm not paying $5k for one nor completing someone's aborted GTSR5 swap.

Yeah, and all the ones here have drifted away in a different fashion, due to the ol tinworm. I always marvel when I see one of ANY condition on the road.

Heh heh heh

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Mazdax605 wrote: This one looks promising: http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/2812560034.html

Holy HELL that's clean. I'm definitely going to hold out for a manual, though. I know they're out there, and that would significantly cut down on work needed. I'm cool with motor swaps, but auto-manual conversions aren't something i'm comfy with.

You're not going to find a manual one. If you wait for a manual one, this project isn't going to happen. You can still buy the 5-speed bell housing you need to make this work from Mazda.

Another clean white one:

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/2794879349.html

And another:

http://reno.craigslist.org/cto/2761878370.html

And another:

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/ctd/2803439437.html

JamesMcD wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Mazdax605 wrote: This one looks promising: http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/2812560034.html

Holy HELL that's clean. I'm definitely going to hold out for a manual, though. I know they're out there, and that would significantly cut down on work needed. I'm cool with motor swaps, but auto-manual conversions aren't something i'm comfy with.

You're not going to find a manual one. If you wait for a manual one, this project isn't going to happen. You can still buy the 5-speed bell housing you need to make this work from Mazda.

Does anyone know if the firewalls are different between the automatic and the manual?

MG Bryan wrote: Does anyone know if the firewalls are different between the automatic and the manual?

I don't know 100%, but I would doubt that they are, because to differentiate them would be inconsistent with typical mazda practice in that era.

I hate you guys.

That, is all.

SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: Heh heh heh

NICE

JamesMcD wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:

Mazdax605 wrote: This one looks promising: http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/2812560034.html

Holy HELL that's clean. I'm definitely going to hold out for a manual, though. I know they're out there, and that would significantly cut down on work needed. I'm cool with motor swaps, but auto-manual conversions aren't something i'm comfy with.

You're not going to find a manual one. If you wait for a manual one, this project isn't going to happen. You can still buy the 5-speed bell housing you need to make this work from Mazda.

Alrighty James... tell me what i need to know!

And is the swap from the ugly USDM front fascia to the cool ones that i hotlinked earlier in the thread easy?

I have a year to find a manual one, you really don't think it's gonna happen? If i've got to fab up pedal assemblies and stuff this kindof defeats the purpose.

Adapt pedals from an RX-7?

If people put manuals in the SVX (even our own resident SvRex has done it) then doing it on a Mazda should be much easier. I say that because at the very least we know these cars had them from the factory so adapting something shouldn't be too tough. The SVX never had a manual trans so you are blazing a trail on that one.

I imagine using a pedal from an FC RX-7 would work pretty easily as Mazda is pretty good about using parts from one chassis on another. Heck that car I linked to you in Oz looked very much like a FC interior wise to me. I think the dash vents and glovebox door were the exact parts. My guess is you won't find a manual one as well, because these cars are rare enough to start with that the manual ones may not even exist anymore.