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Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/26/12 9:47 a.m.

I know that the bolt pattern is the same and the offset is different, but I remember that there is a hub-centric issue where you can go one way but not the other. I don't remember which.

I'm thinking about cheap Daisys + Blizzaks = CRX Ice Racer.

wrongwheeldrive
wrongwheeldrive New Reader
12/26/12 9:53 a.m.

You have to bore the centers out a bit to make it work.

The easy button is e30 bottlecaps. 14 lbs a piece but can be had for next to nothing.

calteg
calteg Reader
12/26/12 9:56 a.m.

Won't work brother. I tried the '93 BBS wheels onto my Fit...no go due to center issues.

iceracer
iceracer UltraDork
12/26/12 10:10 a.m.

Honda- 56.1 mm

Miata - 54.1 mm

But check them. I had a set of Tire Rack wheels for my ZX2SR that I sold to a Honda guy. Bolted right on with no problems. Same 2mm difference.

DaveEstey
DaveEstey SuperDork
12/26/12 10:15 a.m.

Thin spacer fixes it.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/26/12 10:16 a.m.

Damn. Anybody got any cheap 14 inch Honda alloys?

Or Bottlecaps?

wbjones
wbjones UberDork
12/26/12 10:21 a.m.

good machine shop can fix the center bore pretty easily

DeadSkunk
DeadSkunk Dork
12/26/12 10:31 a.m.

Take a router to the Daisies and enlarge the hole. For ice racing lug centric wheels will be fine. Just go to YouTube to see it done.

pilotbraden
pilotbraden Dork
12/26/12 10:33 a.m.

In reply to Woody:

I might have a line on 14" Acura Integra wheels. I will make a call.

chandlerGTi
chandlerGTi Dork
12/26/12 10:50 a.m.
Woody wrote: Damn. Anybody got any cheap 14 inch Honda alloys? Or Bottlecaps?

I've got a set of Borbet type t 14x7 for $400 shipped? Not sure you want to spend that much though.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/26/12 7:33 p.m.
DeadSkunk wrote: Take a router to the Daisies and enlarge the hole. For ice racing lug centric wheels will be fine. Just go to YouTube to see it done.

Seems to me this is the easy solution and suitable for the use. Either that or get some cheap steel Honda wheels. I'm guessing, since you specified daisies and Blizzaks that you have a specific set in mind.

bmw88rider
bmw88rider GRM+ Memberand New Reader
12/26/12 8:16 p.m.

I took a beater set of semi-hollow spokes and bored them out and used them as track day wheels on my mirage. Same bore as the hondas. No big deal and it ran for years with no issues.

Just do it :)

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/26/12 9:18 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: I'm guessing, since you specified daisies and Blizzaks that you have a specific set in mind.

I thought of Daisies because they're 14", cheap, light, probably wouldn't hold a lot of snow and I think they'd look pretty good on a CRX (without center caps).

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
12/26/12 10:21 p.m.

I could be wrong, but I thought that I once fit some Miata daisies on the back of a Civic Si--we're talking an early one with drums in the rear. Up front, no, didn't quite fit.

Jim Pettengill
Jim Pettengill HalfDork
12/27/12 12:01 a.m.

A lot of aftermarket wheels have interchangable hubcentric rings - I know my MR2's 14x7 and 15x7 Borbets do - so if you use aftermarket units you should be able to swap to the correct diameter rings. Or hog out the centers of other wheels, I remember borrowing a set of wheels that had been modified that way to use on my old (not my current car) MR2 back in the early 90s. I just checked the lug nuts every couple of runs and everything worked just fine. You could check Tire Rack or other major wheel dealers for sets of rings.

ZOO
ZOO GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/27/12 6:53 a.m.

It seems like a shame to ice race the CRX . . .

iceracer
iceracer UltraDork
12/27/12 8:47 a.m.
ZOO wrote: It seems like a shame to ice race the CRX . . .

The class he will run has a strict no contact rule Did it with my ZX2SR for 5 yrs.

ZOO
ZOO GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/27/12 9:14 a.m.
iceracer wrote:
ZOO wrote: It seems like a shame to ice race the CRX . . .
The class he will run has a strict no contact rule Did it with my ZX2SR for 5 yrs.

Ah -- then I am all for it.

Although rules against "no contact" seem to be meaningless in some ice-related sports. I've played "no contact" hockey many a times and ended up with some nasty bruises . . .

wbjones
wbjones UberDork
12/27/12 9:50 a.m.

accidents still happen ... even if someone gets kicked out for creating contact , the contact has still happened

bravenrace
bravenrace PowerDork
12/27/12 10:15 a.m.

Man, you are nuts for wanting to ice race that CRX. Get a piece of junk to do that with. I've got all kinds of wheels for a CRX, but just because this pisses me off so much, I'm not going to sell any of them to you.

DeadSkunk
DeadSkunk Dork
12/27/12 10:16 a.m.
ZOO wrote Ah -- then I am all for it. Although rules against "no contact" seem to be meaningless in some ice-related sports. I've played "no contact" hockey many a times and ended up with some nasty bruises . . .

That's what the butt end of thestick is for.....preventing "accidental" contact from occurring too frequently.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/27/12 11:12 a.m.
bravenrace wrote: Man, you are nuts for wanting to ice race that CRX. Get a piece of junk to do that with. I've got all kinds of wheels for a CRX, but just because this pisses me off so much, I'm not going to sell any of them to you.

Nothing is cast in stone yet. I'm still thinking about it.

I've always wanted to go ice racing and I'm always keeping my eyes open for a good candidate. Five speed Hondas with good brakes and good clutches don't usually fall into the realm of affordability. My original plan for this car was to clean it up and flip it. Then it occurred to me that it's the end of December and I find myself with my dream ice racer already in the garage. I have no intention of trashing this thing. I've been to AMEC events before and the street legal non-studded tire races are pretty tame.

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
12/27/12 11:43 a.m.
wbjones wrote: good machine shop can fix the center bore pretty easily

So will a die grinder. The center bore does nothing except help you line the lug nuts up. The Nissan and Mitsubishi wheels that I use on my Mazda are not close to being hubcentric, and Audi guys use wheel adapters all the time to stick cheap Corvette wheels on their cars, and wheel adapters are just flat faces of aluminum with some studs sticking out. They open track 'em. No issues.

bravenrace
bravenrace PowerDork
12/27/12 1:26 p.m.

In reply to Woody:

I'm no ice racer, but in my experience CRX''s suck in the snow (by that I mean that save my 2WD, 454 powered pickup, the 7 of them I've owned were the 7 worst cars in the snow of any I've owned). I've even had blizzaks on them, and they have never been good in the snow. Even my very similar Civic is notably better with the same tires on it. I have no idea why, but it is. Seems like there are much better candidates for ice racing, but like I said, I don't know much about it and it's obviously your car, your choice.

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
12/27/12 2:58 p.m.

i sold a set of miata daisies to a civic guy several years ago. he told me the cheap and easy fix is to get a hole saw that's a little larger than the pilot diameter of the car the wheels are going on, chuck it up in a bridgeport (or a drill press that will accomodate this). without the maching running, and without the wheel clamped to the table, bring the hole saw down to the wheel and let the 45* chamfer on the existing pilot center the wheel under the hole saw. clamp the wheel to the table and hog it out. use plenty of aluminum-specific cutting fluid to keep the hole saw from getting all galled up.

i have used this process on a total of 12 wheels now with no problems. as someone else noted, these cars are lug-centric.

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