minimac wrote: I laughed when I saw the pic of cutting out the floor.....note: the prerequisite bottle of 'fuel' in the corner(the green one)! Looks like you have plenty of "supervision" also.
FWIW that pic was much later in the day after the body was on. We kept the "fuel" locked up until the cutting tools were away. Alchohol is only used in the design phase ;)
Quite a few folks from the local VW club showed up to provide lifting power, those guys kick butt.
JThw8 wrote: Alchohol is only used in the design phase ;)
Apparently used in the posting phase as well :)
Trans_Maro wrote:JThw8 wrote: Alchohol is only used in the design phase ;)Apparently used in the posting phase as well :)
Well yes, there is that at times too :) And I cant spell.
Back to the grind, and cut, and weld. Things are moving quickly and I need to get this to the cage builder. But before I can do that I need to finalize steering so he can move it around. When the body went on we realized the angles were way out of whack for the column to the rack. I think I have a plan but I needed some fixed points to start taking measurements so I finally made the steering rack mount and soon I'll modify the steering column and mount points.
Hey JThw8.... Just becuase I shouldnt be the only one with automotive ADD....
Hey I just posted that on the $200x classifieds. (not mine)
Violently tempting but I dont have the time or drive to head out to WI right now.
I've got my Studebaker up for sale or trade so when that goes I can snag one. Wife has put up with me living in the garage since october to get this Wartburg done so if she has a "want" for a car, she deserves it.
In Wartburg news, still plugging away. Burnt out on some of the "figgerin" tasks so I took some time to fab the rear firewall and play a little with a new toy in the shop, bead roller. Still need some practice but it is good enough for now.
On Sunday we'll get more of the "figgerin" done...she's coming along well
Such an awesome project. Alcohol makes for great designs ideas.
I am diggin' it MTR!!!
Curious about the rack. What is it from? How many turn lock to lock?
wheels777 wrote: I am diggin' it MTR!!! Curious about the rack. What is it from? How many turn lock to lock?
The rack is our 1960s era representation (5 cars, 5 decades in this build)
1969 Porsche 911, I would have to measure lock to lock, I haven't done so.
Are you looking for something specific? I have a dunebuggy rack we picked up but its just too quick lock to lock, like 2 turns, and it has a short range of motion, but if for some reason it sounds like it meets your specs you're welcome to take a look and give it a shot.
I'll grab a photo with the 911 rack installed and get a lock to lock measurement.
Looks like about 2 1/2 turns lock to lock on the porsche rack.
Jeff and Jim W came by today with some presents for the Wartburg.
New wheels :)
17x7.5 fronts, 17x9 in the rear, should enable some nice wide meat on there.
Still got a nice set of 15" phone dials that we will use for the challenge since once we get the right tires for these they wont be very budget friendly, but they will help keep her planted on the Lemons track.
is that rack centred in the car... or offset? I was wondering what the 'symetrical" rack would do for the steering angles in a nonsymetric location
Centered in the car. We are working on the steering column now but it's a fairly simple affair (once you track down all the parts)
With a fender tossed up it shows just how big the new meats are.
JThw8 wrote: With a fender tossed up it shows just how big the new meats are.
This photo shows off the MTR panel nicely.
JThw8 wrote: Are you looking for something specific? I have a dunebuggy rack we picked up but its just too quick lock to lock, like 2 turns, and it has a short range of motion, but if for some reason it sounds like it meets your specs you're welcome to take a look and give it a shot.
Just looking for a short centersteer rack. But, I need more turns L-L. I have a future land speed car planned that will be rear engine for the rack to be installed into.
wheels777 wrote:JThw8 wrote: Are you looking for something specific? I have a dunebuggy rack we picked up but its just too quick lock to lock, like 2 turns, and it has a short range of motion, but if for some reason it sounds like it meets your specs you're welcome to take a look and give it a shot.Just looking for a short centersteer rack. But, I need more turns L-L. I have a future land speed car planned that will be rear engine for the rack to be installed into.
[hijack] if the rack has the correct L-L travel for your application, you can slow down the ratio by installing a quickener upside-down. [/hijack]
AngryCorvair wrote:wheels777 wrote:[hijack] if the rack has the correct L-L travel for your application, you can slow down the ratio by installing a quickener upside-down. [/hijack]JThw8 wrote: Are you looking for something specific? I have a dunebuggy rack we picked up but its just too quick lock to lock, like 2 turns, and it has a short range of motion, but if for some reason it sounds like it meets your specs you're welcome to take a look and give it a shot.Just looking for a short centersteer rack. But, I need more turns L-L. I have a future land speed car planned that will be rear engine for the rack to be installed into.
Ingenious, I never thought of that although it makes perfect sense.
AngryCorvair wrote:wheels777 wrote:[hijack] if the rack has the correct L-L travel for your application, you can slow down the ratio by installing a quickener upside-down. [/hijack]JThw8 wrote: Are you looking for something specific? I have a dunebuggy rack we picked up but its just too quick lock to lock, like 2 turns, and it has a short range of motion, but if for some reason it sounds like it meets your specs you're welcome to take a look and give it a shot.Just looking for a short centersteer rack. But, I need more turns L-L. I have a future land speed car planned that will be rear engine for the rack to be installed into.
Thought about that earlier, but concerned about lost motion.....especially at high speed.
wheels777 wrote: Thought about that earlier, but concerned about lost motion.....especially at high speed.
Yeah, but maybe a little lost motion is exactly what's necessary. I can imagine how twitchy a rear engine land speed car can be at Nelson-esque velocities.
On the subject of steering.... Finally finished up the tie rods. These were an adventure. The inner joints are heim joints 5/8 right hand thread. No problem, the supplier was easily able to supply the correct threaded rod ends to weld to the tube for these.
On tie rods one end needs to be right hand thread and the other left hand thread to make them adjustable. I should have though of this before hand and gotten the heims in left hand but I didn't. Getting correct ball joints in left hand thread was easy, they are a standard VW bug part. But they are 14mm x 1.5 left hand thread pitch. Finding metric weldable tube ends in the U.S. is hard enough, finding them in left hand thread is near impossible. Finally a supplier in the UK was able to provide them, and even with shipping they were cheaper than the standard rod ends I used for the inners....whew.
The ackerman angle isnt as bad as the pics make it seem but its not really where we wanted it either. But to move the steering rack any further back will require cutting into the support pieces holding up the struts, probably a bad idea. I have a few things to try still I think I can get it back just a little further.
Oh and another interesting little note about how german cars all seem to follow a standard, we were able to run a 72 VW speedo cable off the 83 Porsche wheel hub to the 58 Wartburg speedometer and it all works. Fun :)
In reply to JThw8:
you may want to consider adding a stiffener to the fabricated link that the inner tie rods attach to. deflection of this link would contribute to bumpsteer / rollsteer.
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