Here's one you didn't expect: Roll Royce Merlin. The stock Merlin of a P-51D is rated at 1,490hp. Dago Red's makes 3,800hp. The guts are stock, just blueprinted to the nth degree. Then they remove the boost limiter. Its that simple. That's 250% better than stock. (You said vehicle, not car)
The Merlin in the early Spitfires was only 1000 hp or so. :)
NordicSaab wrote: Ok... I'm still arguing mitsubishi, but if we are playing the family game, a 1.6L from a mirage makes 115hp. This engine is in architecture the same thing as a 4g63/4g64. Within the family you can build a 2.3L using a 4g64 bottom end and 4g63 everything else. Throw a stock 14b on there and you are damn near 400hp. So... meets the rules of this bench race and jumps power from 115hp to 400hp all within the same family using "stock" parts. Approx 250% increase over stock.
But you aren't doing 400 hp with stock Mitsu injectors on a 14b.
Here is my Galant VR4 formula, let's see if I remember 2003:
Start with a 2.4 bottom end.
Let's say you throw Evo 8 560CCs in that flow close to 600CC with a higher base FPR from an auto 1G / 3g MAF/ EVO 9 IC core/ Crushed 1g bov / 2G exhaust manifold/ Ported clipped 20G turbo from a FUSO box truck/ Ported Evo III turbo outlet/ 2g TB elbow/ Cyclone intake manifold with the runners controlled with a Keydiver chip on a Evo 8 ecu wired in/ Rewired Evo 8 fuel pump
Technically if you are going from the factory 2.4 rating 140hp, this should be close to 400 hp and that's a pretty big jump.
Why discount the Mustang because it started with a V6? The OP was only talking OEM factory parts, so it qualifies IMHO.
But OK, you could start with a 400+ hp V8 and bolt your way up over 1000 and still be pretty impressive.
Of how about starting with one of these:
and bolting on stuff from this:
In reply to pinchvalve:
What the fudge are you talking about?
NordicSaab wrote: In reply to Trackmouse: Man you're picky... OK. Start with a 4g64 (from any car! Eclipse, galant, mightymax) and do a 4g63 head swap... + 4g63 turbo stuff. 140hp to 400hp. I give up, you have my bottom dollar
That's a pretty good number. I've always known dsms to be good that way. Good job man, and thanks for playing.
BrokenYugo wrote: In reply to daeman: This gives me an idea. How much power is a pieced together Ford 2.3 good for? Those came a low as 88hp in NA trim, the SVO was good for 205hp stock.
people have proven that the stock bottom end of a turbo 2.3, which will fit into a NA 2.3, can handle 400+ hp, i think the turbo is your limit on them though for factory parts, i think the biggest turbo on these engines will only get you to around 350 hp. still a big bump from 88 hp.
curtis73 wrote: I'll offer a prize to someone who can come up with more percentage gain than a 12v Cummins. The prize is: You get to say you won.
man i didnt even think about the 12 valve's. i'd say that one might take the cake.
Dodge Turbo 2.5 N/A. 95 hp stock.
Add turbo cylinder head (better valves).
Add 5th and 6th stock injectors. Hell, maybe 7th. (You didn't say it had to be pretty). Second fuel pump.
Take 2 stock turbo exhaust manifolds with tiiiny Mitsubishi turbos, crudely cut and weld until you have twin-turbo setup. (It's been done.). 2x stock intercoolers, wherever you can mount them.
Use Grainger valve to increase boost to taste. Bottom end will hold 350+ hp. Stock A555/A568 transmission will hold up to about that much power. Clutch won't take it for long.
What do I win?
EDIT: Ok, maybe I don't win.
I know it would blow a HG before getting there, especially if you don't install/run some headstuds, but a Ford 2.3 can get 450hp out of a ported crappy flowing stock head. Just need to turbo with a Holset, 160# injectors from a NG crown vic, make sure you run the Ranger roller cam, shave the head down to make about 10:1 compression with the stock turbo pistons and rods with ARP bolts, and then just run C16/E85 on a PiMP/MS. Then you can run a near stock C4 transmission behind it with a stock bellhousing at that power level for a good long while.
In reply to psteav:
What have you created in my head?!?!? It's like some type of Frankenstein.
Ranger50 wrote: I know it would blow a HG before getting there, especially if you don't install/run some headstuds, but a Ford 2.3 can get 450hp out of a ported crappy flowing stock head. Just need to turbo with a Holset, 160# injectors from a NG crown vic, make sure you run the Ranger roller cam, shave the head down to make about 10:1 compression with the stock turbo pistons and rods with ARP bolts, and then just run C16/E85 on a PiMP/MS. Then you can run a near stock C4 transmission behind it with a stock bellhousing at that power level for a good long while.
I think this thread was more about bench racing with what monster can you build with factory available parts from any era/part of the world.
crankwalk wrote:Ranger50 wrote: I know it would blow a HG before getting there, especially if you don't install/run some headstuds, but a Ford 2.3 can get 450hp out of a ported crappy flowing stock head. Just need to turbo with a Holset, 160# injectors from a NG crown vic, make sure you run the Ranger roller cam, shave the head down to make about 10:1 compression with the stock turbo pistons and rods with ARP bolts, and then just run C16/E85 on a PiMP/MS. Then you can run a near stock C4 transmission behind it with a stock bellhousing at that power level for a good long while.I think this thread was more about bench racing with what monster can you build with factory available parts from any era/part of the world.
in his defense some of the bigger commercial ford trucks (F650 range) came with a cummins engine, so technically a holset off of a cummins could still be a ford part.
Also i dont think engine management is a factor in most of these 'builds' as pretty much any stock managment wouldnt be able to handle what is being cobbled together here. but yea the ARP bolts are pushing it
What about the 2.4 turbo in the SRT-4's? Didn't they have stupid power potential?
2.0 turbo out of the Cobalt SS/Ion Redline/Redline Sky/Solstice GXP?
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