Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
6/2/10 10:38 a.m.

So, who's good to use for like a half cut late model Toyota? I need a 1zzfe or a 2zzge engine and 5 or 6 speed trans, ECU, accessories, etc. Or where can I buy a insurance wreck? 00-up Rolla, Matrix, Vibe, Celica, MR2, Prism. That's like 10% of the cars in the US, so there shouldn't be a shortage.

I'd really like to find a place within 4-500 miles from NW Arkansas, say a 2 day round trip. Closer being better.

bravenrace
bravenrace Dork
6/2/10 11:13 a.m.

Piss on Toyotas, they suck. You should use a Honda.

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
6/2/10 11:16 a.m.

Look at the clip cut sellers on eBay and "fugure out" who they are, then approach them OFF eBay and save them the sellers fees ;)

AquaHusky
AquaHusky New Reader
6/2/10 11:42 a.m.

There is a place here just south of Kansas City that deals in cut cars.

www.countylineautoparts.com

Hope this helps a bit.

Jay
Jay Dork
6/2/10 12:14 p.m.

Does this have anything to do with the feral Europa you recently adopted?

TJ
TJ Dork
6/2/10 12:25 p.m.

linkHow about Copart?

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
6/2/10 12:45 p.m.
Jay wrote: Does this have anything to do with the feral Europa you recently adopted?

Ahh, perhaps... A Free Range Europa is like a lump of clay, awaiting the artist.

Keep the suggestions coming, guys. KC is within a days round trip distance.

oldopelguy
oldopelguy Dork
6/2/10 1:32 p.m.

I have the entire drivetrain from an Xa I'd part with cheap, 1NZ-FE with 5-speed. Econo Lotus?

Craigslist up north for a rust-bucket maybe, and drive it home?

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
6/2/10 2:01 p.m.

Humm. I looked at the specs for a Xa a couple hours ago. It's like 160 HP, 2.4L. Is the block aluminum or iron? I want to go with an aluminum block for the weight. Do you have a computer, harness, etc. with it? That's kinda why I'm thinking half cut or wreck. I need the whole thing: ECU, AC compressor, harness, alternator, starter, motor mounts, axles, anything else to drop it in a vehicle made before the engineer that designed the 1NZ-FE was born.

That copart.com site is interesting, but the registered broker requirement is killer. Looks like five bills in brokerage costs to buy something.

oldopelguy
oldopelguy Dork
6/2/10 2:09 p.m.

The xA was the same as Echo/xB/Yaris, 1.5L with 110hp and 103 ft/lb. All aluminum, I have dead lifted the engine and trans assembly into the back of a pickup more than once.

Car was a rollover, unbolted every bolt that could come off, and have everything from tank sender to exhaust (-cat) including ecu, harness, dash and all.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
6/2/10 2:46 p.m.

Oh, I was thinking the XB for the 160 HP. That 1.5L would be an interesting engine to use, but I'm really looking for more HP. The 1zzfe has a lot of low down torque. The Celica GT (1zzfe) was reported to be faster than the GT-S (2zzge) at an autocross because the 1zz power came on lower. 110 HP would be about what the car came with, or what a TCS came with, give or take.

Just so that I have a reference point, what would you want for everything I need: radiator to hubs, air filter to exhaust, AC, both evap/heater and condensor coils, fan, axles, ecu, ac computer if used, guage cluster, ac controls (dash controls/instruments), sensors, intake, motor, trans, mounts, master cylinder, etc? Feel free to email me (PM) if you want. A drive north is not out of the question and I think all that would fit in the bed of my Truck. I'm just thinking of options at this point, and a 1zz transplant would allow an easy 2zzge transplant in the future, so I'm leaning that way.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
6/3/10 7:33 a.m.
Dr. Hess wrote: Oh, I was thinking the XB for the 160 HP. That 1.5L would be an interesting engine to use, but I'm really looking for more HP. The 1zzfe has a lot of low down torque. The Celica GT (1zzfe) was reported to be faster than the GT-S (2zzge) at an autocross because the 1zz power came on lower. 110 HP would be about what the car came with, or what a TCS came with, give or take. Just so that I have a reference point, what would you want for everything I need: radiator to hubs, air filter to exhaust, AC, both evap/heater and condensor coils, fan, axles, ecu, ac computer if used, guage cluster, ac controls (dash controls/instruments), sensors, intake, motor, trans, mounts, master cylinder, etc? Feel free to email me (PM) if you want. A drive north is not out of the question and I think all that would fit in the bed of my Truck. I'm just thinking of options at this point, and a 1zz transplant would allow an easy 2zzge transplant in the future, so I'm leaning that way.

Don't even bother with the 1zz. If you look at the dyno plots of the two motors, the 2zzge doesn't lose out on power to the 1zz ANYWHERE.

Maybe look into a Curren clip? Or a Celica SS-II clip? A nice 3rd gen 3sge would be a monster in there. (If you do the Curren, i got dibs on the body panels, plz. )

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
6/3/10 9:50 a.m.

oldopelguy, I replied to your PM. Not sure if it went through. Check your spam folder. Anyway, short story: interested.

I thought about a 3SGTE with the boost cranked for an insane Europa. 1600 lbs and 300 HP might be a tad challenging to drive on the street. I'm still thinking 2zzge for my TCS, but this 1nzfe sounds pretty interesting. I wasn't aware of that motor. There's even a little hop-up parts community around it with the big JDM players making stuff.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
6/3/10 10:47 a.m.

Put a 5sfe in there if you go against the 1nzfe. I didn't realize it was so light.

You could probably get 150 crank HP out of the 5s, and a buttload of torque. In a 1600lb car, mated with an S54 transmission, it would be fairly quick.

Bonus points for putting everyone's least favorite, but bulletproof motor in a sports car.

Or go nuts: Needs 100% more 2grfse. But i think that would be a machine of death.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess SuperDork
6/3/10 10:55 a.m.

I think the 5SFE is a bit heavy. I want to stick with an aluminum block motor. There's an aluminum block motor in there now. However, a 5SFE would leak oil just like the original, so that would be authentic.

ae86andkp61
ae86andkp61 GRM+ Memberand Reader
6/3/10 8:59 p.m.

One thing to keep in mind with the Matrix/Vibe/Celica/Corolla stuff, especially when comparing 1ZZFE to 2ZZGE is the accompanying transmissions. The top gear ratios in both 5-speed and 6-speed are similar. The C59 5-speed which comes with the 1ZZ has a final drive around 3.7 or so, and the C60 6-speed which often comes with 2ZZ has a final drive of something like 4.5...so the 6-speed has better (lower, closer) ratios for performance use, but the 5-speed is great for highway cruising and economy. This is from memory, I had both transmissions for my Matrix at one point, but I can look up the exact specs if you want.

The low-end grunt of the 1ZZ is decent, and when you keep in mind that the gearing is taller....:) Even though it gets the job done, it isn't particularly exciting.

Tyler H
Tyler H GRM+ Memberand Dork
6/3/10 9:20 p.m.

I can not say enough good things, about my experience and the quality of the half cut, that I got from Ron at Motors Unlimited in Rancho Cucamonga, CA.

This was about 4 years ago, so do your research. At that time, MU was THE place to get clean MR2 Turbo half cuts.

I got a clean 97 MR2 GT-S half cut with a documented 28k miles, lots of extras and 292! rwhp with only an intake and exhaust. ~$4k delivered to my city's freight depot.

The folks at the depot were really curious about the half-car they had received. They gladly forked it onto my trailer and were very helpful.

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