Mustang SVO vs Dodge Shelby GLHS

Where do you get new (not badly remanufactured) cv joints? When I had mine you couldn't get them anywhere. I am glad you like yours, but my dad had an 86 GLHS and I had an 85 Shelby charger, and they were both very unreliable cars, and by the time I had the charger many of the stock parts were NLA. I guess you can DD anything, but the charger was beyond what I was willing to deal with.

GLHS but only the 87. ronholm has one for sale

Javelin wrote:

fast_eddie_72 wrote: Ball joints for an '84 SVO $7.43 at Rock Auto all day long.

Bull honkey. Actually *read* all of the product descriptions at Rock Auto. Every one of them says "EXC SVO". That means excluding the SVO. That's what pisses me off about RA, they list all of these parts like they're for that car, yet when you read the description they are not. They also don't have SVO front or rear calipers.

Ahhhhh, I see. Well that sucks.

JFX001 wrote:

MG Bryan wrote:

That car was named the "EVOlution"...or something like that. The company that did the work was based in MD, then moved to AL. They also did a lot of work on 5 speed Mk VII swaps. I've had an SVO, ahead of it's time for Mustangs. Great little car, and will more than likely have another one. SVO.

After reading through this thread, and even though I had one and worked for a company that sold specific SVO parts/mods...I have to change, thus nullify, my vote.

I want them both. Hey, shop around...2 great 80's cars (GLH) and SVO projects can be had rather cheaply. Salt to taste...

Disable the boost nanny on the GLH, stay away from purist pricks with the SVO. I don't care about the flaws, I just want to drive.

In reply to moparman76_69:

It needs a clutch cable and has a sticky caliper...

and I bet it would still outrun an SVO..

This thread is very timely for me as I've very seriously been considering buying one of these two cars, but for a very different reason than folks here usually do: as a potential investment. Unfortunately, the reasoning for you guys' answers has not been helpful in making my decision so far from that perspective.

See, I already own an XR4TI, and I've always wanted an SVO. But thinking about it from an investment perspective, the GLHS (especially the '86 Omni version) has A LOT going for it... very limited production, Shelby's name, significant WTF factor, historical impact factor, no nonsense desirability (i.e. not relying on cache), and oddity. For that reason, I've been seriously considering the GLHS over the SVO, even though I'm a Ford fan/enthusiast.

BTW, other cars I'm considering include things like an E30 M3, Datsun 240Z, Mercedes 190 16v Cosworth, FB RX7, and '70s Mercedes 450/500 SL AMG, but I'm not sure how the GLHS or SVO compares in that context, making my decision even more difficult.

But for now, I'm gonna say GLHS.

Charger GLHS, wrong wheel drive and all.

darkbuddha wrote: This thread is very timely for me as I've very seriously been considering buying one of these two cars, but for a very different reason than folks here usually do: as a potential investment. Unfortunately, the reasoning for you guys' answers has not been helpful in making my decision so far from that perspective. See, I already own an XR4TI, and I've always wanted an SVO. But thinking about it from an investment perspective, the GLHS (especially the '86 Omni version) has A LOT going for it... very limited production, Shelby's name, significant WTF factor, historical impact factor, no nonsense desirability (i.e. not relying on cache), and oddity. For that reason, I've been seriously considering the GLHS over the SVO, even though I'm a Ford fan/enthusiast. BTW, other cars I'm considering include things like an E30 M3, Datsun 240Z, Mercedes 190 16v Cosworth, FB RX7, and '70s Mercedes 450/500 SL AMG, but I'm not sure how the GLHS or SVO compares in that context, making my decision even more difficult. But for now, I'm gonna say GLHS.

If that's your reasoning, you might consider the Shelby CSX. It's basically a shadow with Shelby breath. More limited than the GLH, but not as cool in my opinion.

OT Alert: I like the 87 and 88 CSX's a LOT more than the GLHS's. Although, to be completely honest, the 87 GLHS looks more badass, and they BOTH outperform the CSX's as delivered. Not that that means much at this point..

Vigo wrote: OT Alert: I like the 87 and 88 CSX's a LOT more than the GLHS's. Although, to be completely honest, the 87 GLHS looks more badass, and they BOTH outperform the CSX's as delivered. Not that that means much at this point..

I have this debate going on right now... I have to many of the darn things and should sell either the 87 GLHS or the 87 CSX..

If they were in the same condition.. the GLHS wins.. and even though my 87 GLHS is rougher around the edges than the CSX.. I think it still wins..

That being said.. the P body is a much nicer car to live with..

humm

Hmmm...as far as desirability for investment, I would say either a comp prep SVO, or a green or blue 85 1/2 model (most hp of the SVO's).

Any GLHS, or maybe a Spirit R/T, possibly one of the Thrifty(?) rental CSX's.

surprisingly those thrifty cars (88 csx-T) are the least desireable year, although i like them the best of the 3 years/versions.

Also spirit r/ts dont really enjoy ANY collectability as far as can be told from the prices.

Dodge thingy for me.

Vigo wrote: surprisingly those thrifty cars (88 csx-T) are the least desireable year, although i like them the best of the 3 years/versions. Also spirit r/ts dont really enjoy ANY collectability as far as can be told from the prices.

That's surprising about the Spirit R/T.

Save a while longer and get one of each. They are both very cool.

ronholm wrote: The Ford is SSSSOOO much harder to tune... Seriously it isn't like the 80's Mopar electronics are something to write home about.. But damn.. They are so far ahead of the crap system running the SVO it isn't even funny... One of the first things you have to do is go to a standalone in the SVO (unless someone knows some tricks I dunno about..)

you discredit your opinion with this sort of completely-untrue comments

oh.

and, SVO.

belteshazzar wrote:

ronholm wrote: The Ford is SSSSOOO much harder to tune... Seriously it isn't like the 80's Mopar electronics are something to write home about.. But damn.. They are so far ahead of the crap system running the SVO it isn't even funny... One of the first things you have to do is go to a standalone in the SVO (unless someone knows some tricks I dunno about..)

you discredit your opinion with this sort of completely-untrue comments

Well enlighten me then?

The only reason this is a contest is because the SVO is RWD,... the 2.2/2.5 engine and operating system is superior in nearly every other way.

Now granted I am a lot more familiar with the 2.2/2.5 stuff... But I haven't seen anything on the 2.3 which impresses me at all.. My exposure to them is using them for dune buggy powerplants..

Without a standalone they are a PIA to tune above stock levels IMO.. and the vane air meter thing has always been a problem...

Now maybe I just know and love the Shelby Dodge quirks a bit better... But damn...

The ford has rwd.. and a slightly larger stock turbo..

Besides that the Shelby Dodge wins in every other category..

does the dodge have a limited slip differential?

ronholm wrote:

belteshazzar wrote:

ronholm wrote: The Ford is SSSSOOO much harder to tune... Seriously it isn't like the 80's Mopar electronics are something to write home about.. But damn.. They are so far ahead of the crap system running the SVO it isn't even funny... One of the first things you have to do is go to a standalone in the SVO (unless someone knows some tricks I dunno about..)

you discredit your opinion with this sort of completely-untrue comments

Well enlighten me then? The only reason this is a contest is because the SVO is RWD,... the 2.2/2.5 engine and operating system is superior in nearly every other way. Now granted I am a lot more familiar with the 2.2/2.5 stuff... But I haven't seen anything on the 2.3 which impresses me at all.. My exposure to them is using them for dune buggy powerplants.. Without a standalone they are a PIA to tune above stock levels IMO.. and the vane air meter thing has always been a problem... Now maybe I just know and love the Shelby Dodge quirks a bit better... But damn... The ford has rwd.. and a slightly larger stock turbo.. Besides that the Shelby Dodge wins in every other category..

You are only comparing engines. What about the rest of the car? The SVO is a Fox Mustang, with all the cheap aftermarket goodness that implies. It's also not a cheap 4-door 70s econobox, though it is based on a cheap 70s midsize sedan, at least it doesn't look like one.

I'll buy that a Chrysler 2.2T is better than a Ford 2.3T. But I won't buy that an Omni is better than a Mustang, unless the goal is hauling more people or getting better fuel economy.

i rountinely averaged 24 mpg in town with my fake-SVO with 3.55 gears. how much better are we talking?

What kind of power does the GLH make?

My Ford 2.3t experience is with a Merkur. It came with an intercooler and boost valve on it already. I swapped out the bigger VAM and computer from a junk yard Turbo-coupe.

I loved and hated that car. When it was running, it was great. But it sure seemed like stuff broke twice a day. For the most part, not engine related (though a previous owner did a really poor job installing the intake and it took me a while to realze that it was leaking and causing my drivability problem). But I never wished for any more power than it had or thought there was any problem with the ecu.

Dunno, I guess it all depends on what you want to do. And as mentioned, right wheel drive tips the scales a good bit. But to be fair, I've never driven the GLH and I know people really love them. They're really neat, to be sure. I wouldn't turn one down.

Was the engine in the GLH significantly different than the Shelby Charger? I always liked those.

Gotta go with the GLHS.

I really like Fox chassis stuff, but I was never a huge fan of the SVO. Pretty much all of the effort to make one go fast would be much better applied to a 5.0 car.

The GLHS is an absolute POS tin can with hilarious amounts of power, and can be VERY cheaply and easily turned into an absolute monster.

Javelin wrote:

fast_eddie_72 wrote: Ball joints for an '84 SVO $7.43 at Rock Auto all day long.

Bull honkey. Actually *read* all of the product descriptions at Rock Auto. Every one of them says "EXC SVO". That means excluding the SVO. That's what pisses me off about RA, they list all of these parts like they're for that car, yet when you read the description they are not. They also don't have SVO front or rear calipers.

Looks to me like Rock Auto lists calipers, rotors, even master cylinder that are correct for the SVO. Like I said, the only real bummer is ball joints, and that's really not that big of a deal. Not trying to be a jerk, but just making sure the info is accurate. J

belteshazzar wrote: does the dodge have a limited slip differential?