yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
5/4/23 5:53 p.m.

So, had my trans looked at today and the dealer said it needs a new trans. All for the low price of $6100+ tax (3yr warranty) . The trans guy who drove my truck with me had 40 years experience at Ford just in transmissions. While I appreciate the experience, I'm not feeling the price. 

I think I can find a remanufactured 6r80 for a fraction of the cost and swap it out myself. I do have a Forscan license so I think I can do the programming. I really don't want to do this either though, lazy lol. 

I'll call around some local transmission shops to get another opinion too.

Where are we buying remanufactured transmissions these days?

I had the transmission in my Excursion rebuilt for almost nothing. crying

secretariata (Forum Supporter)
secretariata (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
5/4/23 6:08 p.m.

Don't be too surprised if the local shops tell you they are having a hard time with parts availability.  Wound up having a reman unit put on my Silverado last year because everyone locally told me that it might be months after they tore it down before they could get all the needed parts. Apparently the large scale reman outfits were being made priority for parts. Cost me about a grand less than your quote for a 6 speed unit in a half ton truck that was supposedly from the company that remains them for GM. 3 year 100k mile warranty. Still took almost 3 weeks to get the trans. Not sure if parts availability has improved since then.

yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
5/4/23 7:04 p.m.

In reply to secretariata (Forum Supporter) :

Yes the dealer said it's cheaper and quicker to just replace the whole thing. 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/4/23 8:11 p.m.

My go to for this kind of thing is to find a low-mileage used unit from a T-boned or rear-ended truck.  You have four basic options:

1) buy a reman and put it in yourself.  Usually a pretty good gig, but if there is anything wrong with it, you're stuck doing your own labor twice
2) take it to a shop where they can pull and rebuild and put it back in.  This is where shop quality seriously needs to be addressed.  A good shop (like mine were) will fix what's wrong instead of just saying "yeah, it totally needs a $5000 rebuild."  It's entirely possible that you need a solenoid, a valve body, or an accumulator spring instead of a whole new thing.
3) Dealer, but dealers don't crack open transmissions.  If you have a bad neutral safety switch, they will likely suggest an entire new transmission.  They'll get one brand new from Ford, mark it up 200%, and charge you high-end labor.  Dealers are the last place to go for transmissions.  We had an Audi R8 in our little cut-rate shop because the dealer said it needed a new transmission for $16,000.  One quick google search showed me that the problem was the internal PCM was fried and verified that with a simple procedure with a multimeter.  New PCM from Germany for $600 and $500 worth of labor, programming, and unicorn-pee ATF, and he was back on the road.
4) Buy a used, low-mileage unit and put it in.  Again, if it's f'd up, you're stuck doing the labor twice, but here is why this is my favorite option.  

Ford builds their transmissions in a place that has millions of dollars of dynos, computers, dust-free air handlers, and it is operated by hundreds of highly-trained employees whose job is strictly assembling one or two parts of a 6R80 using laser-guided assembly equipment that looks like this:

 

 

A rebuild shop has one person who may or may not have ever built a 6R80, and has a jack-of-all-trades approach to rebuilding.  They may also have limited knowledge of what commonly fails, how the electronics work, or the ins-and-outs of what makes them tick.  They just spent all week working on two A320s, an RE55FE, three 700r4s, one Allison, and five 47RE units.  They also have a bench that looks like this:

For this reason, my preference is to get a low mileage used trans.  I would rather have a 60k-mile box that was built by the people in the video, than a zero-mile reman from Jim-bob's bench o' questions.

Having said that.... if you find a quality rebuilder, it can be a good way to go.  The warranty and all the labor for R&R is covered by the first round.  If they don't get it right, they'll pull it and fix it on their dime.

Perhaps you could find a neighborhood kid who wants to help out for beer/weed money?  Lighten the load?

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
5/4/23 10:21 p.m.

As a fellow 2015 Expedition owner... may I ask how many miles are on the truck?

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise PowerDork
5/4/23 10:25 p.m.

why does a 8 year old truck need a new trans? 

I have 40 year old trucks high mileage all oem trans, perfectly fine.

 

yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
5/4/23 10:36 p.m.

In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :

118k miles. 

It's making this exact noise. I'm still going to drive it. It still drives fine 95% of the time.

 

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
5/4/23 11:15 p.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

My '16 Silverado made it to 105,000 miles and 4 years of service when I had mine rebuilt.  Silverados had some crappy transmissions.

 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise PowerDork
5/4/23 11:22 p.m.

In reply to Datsun310Guy :

wow!!! Guess i should never buy american trucks

yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
5/5/23 7:55 a.m.

In reply to mr2s2000elise :

It really depends. Allison trans are known to be great. The trans behind my 6.0 diesel was great as well. And the 4r100 behind my 7.3 went over 250k before it blew, and it did lots of heavy towing through the southwest. The 4r100 are known to break with too much torque but it was supercheap to get rebuilt. The 6r80 in my Expedition is supposed to be a great trans but I'm not sure if I'm 1 of many or 1 of a few people who's had issues. I've always had trans issues in Japanese cars but I've never had a Japanese truck simply because they weren't typically big enough or had enough towing capabilities as I wanted. I couldn't imagine a Tundra or Sequoia putting up with what I put my F250 and Excursion through. 

I'm not a believer in avoiding cars because of where they're made. I think you have good and bad stuff from all makes. And I know they all share parts suppliers etc lol. Get what you like and what does the job you need. 

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
5/5/23 9:01 a.m.
yupididit said:

In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :

118k miles. 

It's making this exact noise. I'm still going to drive it. It still drives fine 95% of the time.

Yikes, that's not a fun noise. 

Well, mine is at 85k and (knocks on wood), it's fine. I did get the fluid changed at right around 50k because the truck has done a lot of towing. I plan on doing it again at 100k. I figure there's not much else I can do.

yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
5/5/23 9:57 a.m.

In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :

Yeah there isn't much you can do about it. I had my trans fluid changed at 70k and 117k. I get oil changes every 3.5-5k miles. About to do plugs and coils again. 

I'm just going to buy a lightly used or reman trans and if this one goes I'll swap the spare in. Until then, I'm going to keep driving it as I usually do. 

NY Nick
NY Nick GRM+ Memberand Dork
5/5/23 10:13 a.m.

This is where I would go. Jonathan is a good person and a really good transmission guy. His main deal is GM's but I believe he works other makes also. I know him from when I lived there and I brought one trans 200 miles to him to rebuild. The cost savings over the local options was staggering.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
5/5/23 11:19 a.m.
yupididit said:

In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :

Yeah there isn't much you can do about it. I had my trans fluid changed at 70k and 117k. I get oil changes every 3.5-5k miles. About to do plugs and coils again. 

I'm just going to buy a lightly used or reman trans and if this one goes I'll swap the spare in. Until then, I'm going to keep driving it as I usually do. 

Did the noise start before or after the change at 117k? I had mine done at a trans shop, it was a whole process that took a couple of hours and cost me like $350.

yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
5/5/23 11:53 a.m.

In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :

Just before the fluid change. It's about $300 at the dealer I use.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy MegaDork
5/5/23 12:12 p.m.

I changed the fluid at 75,000 miles on my Silverado but I had issues earlier.  

Which brings up the topic - an older diehard Chevy guy I know blames me (shop did it) on changing the fluid at all.  He says you stir everything up and then your trans will fail.  Just leave the fluid until the trans blows up.  

Maybe an old school argument?

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
5/5/23 12:23 p.m.
Datsun310Guy said:

I changed the fluid at 75,000 miles on my Silverado but I had issues earlier.  

Which brings up the topic - an older diehard Chevy guy I know blames me (shop did it) on changing the fluid at all.  He says you stir everything up and then your trans will fail.  Just leave the fluid until the trans blows up.  

Maybe an old school argument?

I've heard that, too. I don't think I buy it. But the bottom line is that if the manufacturer says to change it, you should change it. Then again, there are a lot of "sealed for life" transmissions nowadays, so who knows?

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