On a side note, my co-driver pointed out that my V Wagon is the only one to complete One Lap of America. The other two that started ended up and wrinkly and upside down. I'm thinking that provenance should add at LEAST 5k to the value. 
On a side note, my co-driver pointed out that my V Wagon is the only one to complete One Lap of America. The other two that started ended up and wrinkly and upside down. I'm thinking that provenance should add at LEAST 5k to the value.
mmmm, mmmm, mmm, m-m-m, mmmmm.
caddy CTS-V wagon. Basically the pinnacle of cool, and it is white to boot.
If it is feasible for you I dunno how you would say "no".
dculberson wrote: Yeah the "my son is an F1 driver" phone call sounded completely made up.
Anyone know Pieter Rossi? Seems easy enough to verify :)
I'm leaning toward crackpipe price.
Considering auto sedans with a warranty were going for $40-45k around here a few years back I'm not really inclined to pay for that. Yeah, I love wagons and certainly this is in the top 10 for ultimate wagons, but still.
I agree with everyone else on the modifications not adding value and in some cases removing value. The exterior paint additions I would be really leery about. It certainly isn't going to match up with the quality you get from the factory. He really should have done a wrap if he wanted black exterior pieces. If there is no tune then the intake and exhaust are just noisemakers and I'd rather have the stock pieces. The carbon fiber interior trim I suppose is personal preference, but it looks like garbage to me.
Still wondering if the "cool factor" is worth the premium. Leaning toward "no," especially considering the fact that I drive 25,000 miles a year, and low mile sedans are going from 30-45k
I'm going to be the voice of disagreement. Sedans and wagons are not equal on this.
Prices on wagons actually seem to be climbing. 6MT's are the elite.
I'm inclined to believe these will not depreciate for 3 factors.
1) There is no equivalent replacement wagon, nor is there a similar replacement wagon from anybody else. There's nothing on the horizon to suggest there will be another Caddy wagon period. This is it.
2) Limited supply. As noted, these didn't sell in high numbers to begin with. The ones equipped and ordered with 6MT's are the ones that every magazine and internet fanbois fawned over. Much is made of legend as time passes. These were essentially built for the purpose of press fanaticism (and it worked).
3) Decline of big power and proper manuals. Even sighting the evolution of the CTS-V to it's next iteration, there is no manual trans on the 3rd gen.
Put all that together and you have a unicorn. A 550+ HP, RWD, wagon, manual. Will there EVER be another with specs like that?
I'd pay $50K for a clean one if I could afford it. I'll take mine in Black Diamond edition like above. The only ones you're likely to find substantially cheaper in the future will be those that have been thoroughly enjoyed and used up already. Pristine manual wagons are going to command a premium. I've seen multiple 6MT wagon V's listed north of $60K.
xflowgolf wrote: I'm going to be the voice of disagreement. Sedans and wagons are not equal on this. Prices on wagons actually seem to be climbing. 6MT's are the elite. I'm inclined to believe these will not depreciate for 3 factors. 1) There is no equivalent replacement wagon, nor is there a similar replacement wagon from anybody else. There's nothing on the horizon to suggest there will be another Caddy wagon period. This is it. 2) Limited supply. As noted, these didn't sell in high numbers to begin with. The ones equipped and ordered with 6MT's are the ones that every magazine and internet fanbois fawned over. Much is made of legend as time passes. These were essentially built for the purpose of press fanaticism (and it worked). 3) Decline of big power and proper manuals. Even sighting the evolution of the CTS-V to it's next iteration, there is no manual trans on the 3rd gen. Put all that together and you have a unicorn. A 550+ HP, RWD, wagon, manual. Will there EVER be another with specs like that? I'd pay $50K for a clean one if I could afford it. The only ones you're likely to find substantially cheaper in the future will be those that have been thoroughly enjoyed and used up already. Pristine manual wagons are going to command a premium. I've seen multiple 6MT wagon V's listed north of $60K.
I tend to agree that it's a special car, the likes of which we probably won't see again from a major manufacturer. That being said, I don't think it would hold it's value that well if the OP is going to put 25k miles per year on it.
Even though you can't get the 6 cylinder with a stick shift, They are pretty reasonable w/all wheel drive:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19446&endYear=2016&vehicleStyleCodes=WAGON&modelCode1=CTS&showcaseOwnerId=100267&startYear=1981&makeCode1=CAD&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=25&maxPrice=20000&showcaseListingId=414381422&mmt=%5BCAD%5BCTS%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=412313932&Log=0
STM317 wrote: I tend to agree that it's a special car, the likes of which we probably won't see again from a major manufacturer. That being said, I don't think it would hold it's value that well if the OP is going to put 25k miles per year on it.
This. I wouldn't buy one if I was putting 25k miles a year on it just due to the maintenance costs.
Harvey wrote:STM317 wrote: I tend to agree that it's a special car, the likes of which we probably won't see again from a major manufacturer. That being said, I don't think it would hold it's value that well if the OP is going to put 25k miles per year on it.This. I wouldn't buy one if I was putting 25k miles a year on it just due to the maintenance costs.
What maintenance costs? It's a truck motor with a blower on top. Has truck hubs. Brake stuff is expensive but the stock pads last forever with street use. Tires wear out, but they're Corvette expensive, not Ferrari expensive. They do consume gas at a silly rate. They're very parts bin cars and are somewhere between trucks and Corvettes on the reliability/expense curve. Maybe rare, but not even close to exotics.
Yeah. Not at all worried about maintenance. More worried that any "unicorn markup" will be negated by the fact that I'll have put 125k on it in 5 years.
Robbie wrote: mmmm, mmmm, mmm, m-m-m, mmmmm. caddy CTS-V wagon. Basically the pinnacle of cool, and it is white to boot. If it is feasible for you I dunno how you would say "no".
Immediately came to mind: "I'd highly recommend it, if you have the means".
One of the families on our street has some friend that drives a beautiful blue Vwagon loweredon mean looking black wheels. It's heart-skippingly pretty.
But for 50k and that many commuter miles I'd be looking elsewhere. If they are really that solid (truck motor, etc, etc) why not hunt down a high mile one for cheaper and drive the hell out of it?
that's not a car i'd put 25k a year on. i would, however, buy it for weekend duty and drive a boring cheap appliance every day and enjoy the pants off the caddy going to the grocery store.
I'd gladly buy a high-mile one, but people seem to use them for "weekend duty only." I'll never understand that. I bought my current DD V1 to replace my 400,000 mile DD integra. It's 10X more fun/comfortable to drive.
It costs a Starbucks a day more than the integra in fuel, has been every bit as reliable, and EATS the miles.
I buy cars to drive the living berkeley out of them. Not so that they can take up space and depreciate "less quickly."
More like a white fish, bruh.
THIS is a white whale:
Love the beast. If you have the means as Ferris Bueller says - you should really pick one up. I'm still in the cheap seats here hunting first gen CTSV sedans to find one that hasn't been beaten within and inch of it's life. Seems like 14-15k buys one now - can't really see them dropping off too much from there if they are well cared for.
84FSP wrote: Love the beast. If you have the means as Ferris Bueller says - you should really pick one up. I'm still in the cheap seats here hunting first gen CTSV sedans to find one that hasn't been beaten within and inch of it's life. Seems like 14-15k buys one now - can't really see them dropping off too much from there if they are well cared for.
That's the other thing I'm grappling with. My V1 has been such a great bang for buck. But the interior is dated, and the V2's are so much easier to squeeze BIG power out of.
Smarta$$ McPoopyPants wrote: It costs a Starbucks a day more than the integra in fuel, has been every bit as reliable, and EATS the miles.
And driving the V makes you feel better than Starbucks does.
The second gear roll ons never get old. Even at stock power. So much fun.
The wagon tax is in full effect. It's true for the Audi wagons as well, an S4 avant sells for substantially more than the sedans, and a 6MT avant even more.
I was interested in one but the reality of it is I need AWD for my DD where I live. Running 550hp through rwd in the mountains in winter is a no go for me.
docwyte wrote: The wagon tax is in full effect. It's true for the Audi wagons as well, an S4 avant sells for substantially more than the sedans, and a 6MT avant even more.
It's a curious thing. As you say, the "wagon tax" is very real in the used market. But in the new market, automakers can't sell enough of them to make it worthwhile. Are us cheapskate used-car buyers just more practical-minded?
I think most of us don't have (or don't want) to spend the $60-70k that these wagons cost new. We want them for 50% of that in 3-4 years...
The wagon tax definitely exists in the BMW world as well. A manual transmission wagon always goes for a premium.
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