Time for a new toy.
Trying to decide between:
1) 91-92 Galant VR-4
2) 2nd Gen Celica Alltrac
3) Subaru something, maybe a coupe with wrx or sti swap.
4) Evo 8
Numbers 3 & 4 I'm thinking are in the $10k range, Numbers's 1 & 2 about half that for a good car.
I'd like something for rally-X events, and a daily driver.
So Thoughts?
Only problem with the Galant or Alltrac would be they are kind of the redheaded stepchild of the tuning world. Parts would be an issue.Id go Subie or Evo just because they are more popular so anything is more readily available.
'02-03 ish VW Passat Quattro with 1.8T should be in the $4k-$5k range and people boost the crap out of that motor.
Parts aren't an issue for the Galant or AllTrac.
They are if you expect a million different choices for every part, but both cars are well supported.
Speed 6?
digdug18 wrote: Time for a new toy. Trying to decide between: 1) 91-92 Galant VR-4 2) 2nd Gen Celica Alltrac 3) Subaru something, maybe a coupe with wrx or sti swap. 4) Evo 8 Numbers 3 & 4 I'm thinking are in the $10k range, Numbers's 1 & 2 about half that for a good car. I'd like something for rally-X events, and a daily driver. So Thoughts?
Are Evos really in that price range? I've never seen one that low.
Subaru is easily found.
The VR4s were limited production numbers but cool cars. Not too many good ones left and they do rust.
impulse RS, mazda gtx
captdownshift wrote: impulse RS, mazda gtx
On the other hand, if you are not an enthusiast of staring at a pile of unsupported, perpetually-broken crap, get an Evo.
captdownshift wrote: impulse RS, mazda gtx
It's super weird when your balls end up in your throat just from READING two car models separated by a comma.
amg_rx7 wrote:digdug18 wrote: Time for a new toy. Trying to decide between: 1) 91-92 Galant VR-4 2) 2nd Gen Celica Alltrac 3) Subaru something, maybe a coupe with wrx or sti swap. 4) Evo 8 Numbers 3 & 4 I'm thinking are in the $10k range, Numbers's 1 & 2 about half that for a good car. I'd like something for rally-X events, and a daily driver. So Thoughts?Are Evos really in that price range? I've never seen one that low.
The only Evo 8 I've seen in that price range had done a full barrel role before being put up for sale. Half-decent ones are between 15-18k out here and I've seen pristine 9s for over $30k. They are holding their value extremely well.
Fobroader wrote: Only problem with the Galant or Alltrac would be they are kind of the redheaded stepchild of the tuning world. Parts would be an issue.Id go Subie or Evo just because they are more popular so anything is more readily available.
Both are very well supported, the toyota even has go fast parts still available trough TRD. The Galant VR-4 is basically a smaller lighter version of the Laser/Eslipse AWD's albeit with a 4 door bodystyle, and the galant has that funky rear wheel steering as well.
I suppose that the Galant could have the crank walk problem as well, but you don't run into that issue on the forums as much as you do with the Laser/Eclipse cars.
digdug18 wrote:Fobroader wrote: Only problem with the Galant or Alltrac would be they are kind of the redheaded stepchild of the tuning world. Parts would be an issue.Id go Subie or Evo just because they are more popular so anything is more readily available.Both are very well supported, the toyota even has go fast parts still available trough TRD. The Galant VR-4 is basically a smaller lighter version of the Laser/Eslipse AWD's albeit with a 4 door bodystyle, and the galant has that funky rear wheel steering as well. I suppose that the Galant could have the crank walk problem as well, but you don't run into that issue on the forums as much as you do with the Laser/Eclipse cars.
Comparatively speaking as opposed to the WRX/Evo....which would you rather be looking for parts for.
GVR4 wouldn't have crankwalk issues. It pre-dates the gen2 Eclipse.
I'm a DSM whore and I stopped reading at Alltrac. That is the answer. But what SF1 said about the GVR4 is right, no crankwalk.
mndsm wrote: I'm a DSM whore and I stopped reading at Alltrac. That is the answer. But what SF1 said about the GVR4 is right, no crankwalk.
My problem with "AllTrac" in this scenario is that i'm not sure that i could personally bring myself to rally a nice one.
Though, i do have dreams of finding a ratty 88-89 and hooning through the woods in a stage Rally scenario making Group B levels of power.
A nice ST185 would get an entirely different yet equally obscene treatment.
The AllTrac probably DOES have the most robust trans/tcase/axles/diffs combo out of that list, though.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: '02-03 ish VW Passat Quattro with 1.8T should be in the $4k-$5k range and people boost the crap out of that motor.
They are and they aren't an issue. If you want to keep it all VR4 stuff then its a challenge but if you delete the 4WS and go 5 lug with eclipse stuff then it's all basically DSM underthere.
When my 4ws was leaking it cost me some $$$ and time to fix it righ and still keep it working.
For simplicity I would just get a 1g 6bolt 4bolt rear DSM and call it a day. I love gvr4's but I'd hate to bang them up on a race track since there are so few left.
Oh and 6 bolt motors can crankwalk, its more rare but it does happen.
captdownshift wrote: impulse RS, mazda gtx
Masochist mode!
I've flogged 2, 3 & 4 in anger on the autocross course. Without a doubt the Evo offers the best stock performance in that situation, and I personally found it telepathic-like to drive.
Beyond that, I have nothing to add.
After DDing and RallyXing a GVR4 for 13 years I'd say the pros are parts availability, aftermarket support, VFAQs/documentation, and making big power cheaply. The cons are that the chassis is soft compared to modern cars, their age means more maintenance, and you'll spend more initial time getting them fixed up and prepped for competition than a newer (and more expensive) Subaru or Evo. Also, you'll have to fab up some of your own parts as you can't just go online and buy a skid plate like you can for a Suby, for example. The GVR4 community is much smaller but very active (see the One Lap article in this months mag) and knowledgeable.
The best $10K AWD turbo sports car is one of these, stock, rust-free and unmolested:
Sadly, there are no stock, rust-free unmolested examples available on this planet.
Armitage wrote: After DDing and RallyXing a GVR4 for 13 years I'd say the pros are parts availability, aftermarket support, VFAQs/documentation, and making big power cheaply. The cons are that the chassis is soft compared to modern cars, their age means more maintenance, and you'll spend more initial time getting them fixed up and prepped for competition than a newer (and more expensive) Subaru or Evo. Also, you'll have to fab up some of your own parts as you can't just go online and buy a skid plate like you can for a Suby, for example. The GVR4 community is much smaller but very active (see the One Lap article in this months mag) and knowledgeable.
And you get to talk to everyone about what number you have on the dash. 
1439/2000 (2004-2011 here)
I love the 2 tone 1g's. I bought a red '90 GSX 5 speed for $700 bucks a few years ago and it was pretty clean. I sold it to a kid for his first car and it only needed a timing belt for him. In hindsight that would have been a great rallyx car. Cheap running 1g's are out there.
960/1000 R.I.P. :(
Yea a 1g would be a good place to start as well. IIRC they have a 4" shorter wheelbase than the GVR4, weigh less, etc. It's easier to fit a spare set of tires in the back of the GVR4 though. They come with 5 lugs hubs and if you shop smart you can get a 6bolt motor/4bolt LSD combo.
i have a logbooked 1G in need of refreshing that i'd part with quite cheaply if the OP (or anyone else for that matter) was interested. Former Scott Wilborn car.
Here you go http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mitsubishi-Lancer-Evolution-2013-Mitsubishi-Lancer-Evolution-Damaged-Rebuilder-RUNS-Priced-To-Sell-L-/221412685132?forcerrptr=true&hash=item338d39754c&item=221412685132&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
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