Holy crap i wish i didn't know that ebay seller existed.
Check, please!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-Carrera-Coupe-1999-porsche-911-carrera-damaged-rebuilder-low-miles-manual-trans-export-/191130452494?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c8043420e&item=191130452494&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
A cosmetically challenged 911 would be an awesome rallyx car. No need to worry about the paint!
Screw that! That damage doesn't look that bad! I'd go all "Home-made Rauh Welt" on that thing, then beat the everliving piss out of it for a few years and laugh the whole time.
Hell yes I'd rock that to death and back. Piss off the purists AND the drift kids.
At this point it makes me sad to think of a nice all trac or gvr4 getting beaten into oblivion. I know it's what they're for, but still.
Swank Force One wrote: Holy crap i wish i didn't know that ebay seller existed. Check, please! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-Carrera-Coupe-1999-porsche-911-carrera-damaged-rebuilder-low-miles-manual-trans-export-/191130452494?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c8043420e&item=191130452494&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
GET-THE-BERK-OUT!!! 
Tempting, but the porsche isn't awd.
Doesn't stop Illuminati and his BRAID Porsche rallycross car. 
I had a stock N/A GC8 Impreza 2.5RS for RallyX and that thing was awesome!
I've seen a few stock (but starting to rust) version near me for $3-4k.
I DD a Speed6 and I just can't see running it through the dirt. It's just too nice.
$10k should buy a mildly modded S6 if you decide to go that route.
I would rock a VR4 all day long.
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/4404624486.html
1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR4 title : clean
1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR4 limited edition badge number 1340/2000 brought over to America All wheel drive turbolist of parts and mods are include New engine and transmission from Japan with under 30,000 miles Come with 16g turbo530 cc injectors Performance racing radiator with dual electric lightweight fans All new breaks all the way around calipers rotars and pagesNew steering rack New clutch line and resurfaced flywheelHuge intercooler custom pipping Tie rod endsBattery relocated to the trunk and its a brand new battery Oil filtersSway bar end links2nd gen intake mas air flow sensor and filter Can angle sensor ISC motor Down pipe O2 sensor Fuel filter Clutch slave cylinders Nov flange Comes with logging cable ecm tunning New timming belt New spark plugs and performance plug wires Moto sports turbo Timmer EPROM ECU socketed and chipped
Compression is 185 in all 4 cylinders runs and drives but needs time to test and tune. Spent way too much money and do not have the time to get the car running the way It should needs a better mind then mine spent well over $5000 just In parts thats not Including the price of the car.
Wrecked 2.5RS: http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/cto/4392502529.html
never forget the e30 iX. about 1000 lbs lighter than an alltrac (I had an automatic on in college - bought to fix and flip - and my roommate had the celica alltrac) and only down about 30hp stock. Throw a turbo on that bad dog BMW and you got yourself a rally car.
I will second the VW Passat 1.8T, but I would go with an Audi A4 myself. Still easy to get, have lots of power upgrades and of course the Audi Quattro Heritage. There is a great following, just like the other cars mentioned here before. Parts are no more expensive than anything else, and like an Alltrac or Gallant, as long as you keep it maintained, it will run all day long.
Cheers; Mike K
I didn't include the BMW for a reason. Their are many other cars that I could have included that either have a awd or 4wd, but have non-turbo engines. One that comes to mind is an AMC Eagle, it was factory rallied for a couple years and did good. But I'd prefer to spend my money on better known cars, that have a proven track record. Good availability of aftermarket parts, and excellent forums, where people actually help eachother. Size of engine bay is a factor as well, because as you all know, once you start to put a cage in, a small engine bay means careful planning when routing things. Not that I'm looking for a car that has a cage, but you know how the hobby goes.
Price of the car in in consideration as well, it plays more about what I'm buying to start off with then anything else. Though if I buy something in the $10k range, I'm not going to spend as much in aftermarket parts. Where as many of the VR4/1g's or Alltracs are already highly modified, and could be a good starting point for a rally-x car.
rcutclif wrote: never forget the e30 iX. about 1000 lbs lighter than an alltrac (I had an automatic on in college - bought to fix and flip - and my roommate had the celica alltrac) and only down about 30hp stock. Throw a turbo on that bad dog BMW and you got yourself a rally car.
Since when does ANY E30 weigh 2200lbs?
I don't quite understand why anyone would want a alltrac of any sort. They just aren't that good of cars for the price, and are horribly impractical. Sorry SFO, I know you have a hard-on for them, but its the truth. If they were any good, they would be in demand (especially for how few there are).
Heres a white 03 328xi for sale in NC for 5300
http://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/ctd/4400913038.html
HiTempguy wrote: I don't quite understand why anyone would want a alltrac of any sort. They just aren't that good of cars for the price, and are horribly impractical. Sorry SFO, I know you have a hard-on for them, but its the truth. If they were any good, they would be in demand (especially for how few there are).
I mean, i know in Canadaland everything is exactly the opposite of the US, but here in the US, they ARE in demand, which is why they fetch the rather ridiculous prices that they do.
I'm not saying that i'd rather have one over an Evo to hoon around in the woods if someone else is buying, but there's no real glaring weak point to them, and the trans/diff/axles are stronger than anything else mentioned in this thread from factory. Motor ain't exactly a slouch, and it's no heavyweight compared to the rest of the cars either.
Far as i can tell, the only weak point compared to the other is that there isn't a million of them so there's not 57 options for the same part from 200 different vendors.
Which, is hard to adjust to if that's what you're used to.
I'm not championing them in this thread, but i don't quite understand what makes them the "worst" option out of the original post, either.
If i were playing with MY money, i'd just immediately start looking for a 1st gen DSM. Maybe an early 90s SOHC Turbo Legacy Sedan. ST165 would come 3rd in line. But we aren't playing with my money here.
Real nice 02 s4 twin turbo real close to me in NC for $3500
http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/4388269472.html
Swank Force One wrote:rcutclif wrote: never forget the e30 iX. about 1000 lbs lighter than an alltrac (I had an automatic on in college - bought to fix and flip - and my roommate had the celica alltrac) and only down about 30hp stock. Throw a turbo on that bad dog BMW and you got yourself a rally car.Since when does ANY E30 weigh 2200lbs?
ok, so I exaggerated a little. just driving them back to back even with the BMW slushbox the alltrac felt a lot heavier.
I also seem to remember the 1000 number from doing the math in the difference between the GWVR and the max loaded capacity of the vehicle to find the vehicle weight. dont know how accurate that method is, but the celica had a huge GWVR and small capacity.
Alltrac did have leather and power everything, but that shouldn't be a huge difference.
You could probably get a Familia GTR imported for the price of a WRX or Celica Alltrac. It would have the parts availability of the alltrac anyways, lol.
Familia GTR has a BPT, built in maps in the ECU for up to 18PSI and a turbo capable of flowing that, weighs 2800lbs or possibly less, and is a homologated rally car.
I saw multiple sold and they were all under $6000, fairly minty.
IMO if you are looking at rare cars like the Celica Alltrac or VR-4 Galant you might as well look at JDM imports. It will end up costing you the same, including shipping and fees. Next year Pulsar GTIRs become available as well. I've seen far many more GTIRs and Familia GTRs for sale in Japan than i've seen Celica Alltracs and Galant VR4s for sale here then there you also have the fact that those two cars were also sold over there as well and you could get a one with less than 100,000KMs and no mods for LESS than what it would cost you to buy here.
I've said it in another post as well. Buying pre-ban enthusaist cars from import marques is pointless in the US market. Import them. You will get 1/2 the mileage, options of never modded cars, far more examples, and cars that were never sold here that competes with what you are looking for. And the price you pay will be the same IF NOT LESS and that is including the fees and shipping.
Even if you want a car that was sold here. You could get a 180SX (a 240sx hatchback but with a 1.8l turbo engine) you could get one with 70,000 miles and unmodded for like $4k. Here you would get some E36 M3box with a welded dif and a shoddy S20 swap and 200,000 miles for $7k.
If you're thinking already that you may get out of hand with mods, you may need to buy a $5K prepped, caged rally-x car and a $5K daily driver.
kanaric wrote: You could probably get a Familia GTR imported for the price of a WRX or Celica Alltrac. It would have the parts availability of the alltrac anyways, lol. Familia GTR has a BPT, built in maps in the ECU for up to 18PSI and a turbo capable of flowing that, weighs 2800lbs or possibly less, and is a homologated rally car. I saw multiple sold and they were all under $6000, fairly minty. IMO if you are looking at rare cars like the Celica Alltrac or VR-4 Galant you might as well look at JDM imports. It will end up costing you the same, including shipping and fees. Next year Pulsar GTIRs become available as well. I've seen far many more GTIRs and Familia GTRs for sale in Japan than i've seen Celica Alltracs and Galant VR4s for sale here then there you also have the fact that those two cars were also sold over there as well and you could get a one with less than 100,000KMs and no mods for LESS than what it would cost you to buy here. I've said it in another post as well. Buying pre-ban enthusaist cars from import marques is pointless in the US market. Import them. You will get 1/2 the mileage, options of never modded cars, far more examples, and cars that were never sold here that competes with what you are looking for. And the price you pay will be the same IF NOT LESS and that is including the fees and shipping.
I'm looking for something that I can drive on the roads as well. this isn't really an option with imports unless they are already left hand drive, because of the crash testing. I've looked into it extensively, had a meeting with an importer in MD, one of 5 or so in the US.
Their have been skylines imported that were RHD, but they had to be crash tested first, to find that they needed to insert a door bar to make them legal for US roads. Importing a LHD car is easier, because it wouldn't have to be crash tested. But still a hassle.
So, NO!
Swank Force One wrote:HiTempguy wrote: I don't quite understand why anyone would want a alltrac of any sort. They just aren't that good of cars for the price, and are horribly impractical. Sorry SFO, I know you have a hard-on for them, but its the truth. If they were any good, they would be in demand (especially for how few there are).I mean, i know in Canadaland everything is exactly the opposite of the US, but here in the US, they ARE in demand, which is why they fetch the rather ridiculous prices that they do. I'm not saying that i'd rather have one over an Evo to hoon around in the woods if someone else is buying, but there's no real glaring weak point to them, and the trans/diff/axles are stronger than anything else mentioned in this thread from factory. Motor ain't exactly a slouch, and it's no heavyweight compared to the rest of the cars either. Far as i can tell, the only weak point compared to the other is that there isn't a million of them so there's not 57 options for the same part from 200 different vendors. Which, is hard to adjust to if that's what you're used to. I'm not championing them in this thread, but i don't quite understand what makes them the "worst" option out of the original post, either. If i were playing with MY money, i'd just immediately start looking for a 1st gen DSM. Maybe an early 90s SOHC Turbo Legacy Sedan. ST165 would come 3rd in line. But we aren't playing with my money here.
The issue up here is that we never got that many therefore I don't remember the last time I saw one.
You can't have a market if you don't have anything to sell.
I own a Galant VR4. I love it, but if rallycross was a priority, then a shorter wheelbase DSM would be my suggestion. Not only is it smaller and lighter, but it would also be easier to find. I'd also feel bad beating up my good condition, rare car. My old '90 Talon was a terrific rallycross car. The drivetrain is more then strong enough. Most drivetrain issues involve drag racing, and have as much to do with the driver and car set-up as the actual car. That said, it would take a lot of time and money to get either to handle anywhere near as well as an EVO. I would have a hard time recommending a Subaru offering. They are much more fragile then DSM's in my experience. The WRX's have much weaker trannies. If you step up to an STi for the stronger drivetrain, you end up with the trouble prone 2.5 turbo.
kanaric wrote: You could probably get a Familia GTR imported for the price of a WRX or Celica Alltrac. It would have the parts availability of the alltrac anyways, lol.
Yes, but Toyota transmissions are not made out of glass like the Mazda units.
That's not really fair. Subaru transmissions are glass. Mazda engineers had to work hard to develop a material more fragile than glass.
one with less than 100,000KMs and no mods for LESS than what it would cost you to buy here.
I've heard far too many stories of people driving with the speedo cable disconnected/VSS unplugged to keep the odometer down, to really believe in the "100k" thing.
And then there is the concept of shady dealers here or there. It's extremely common for auction cars brought to Ohio from a certain state just slightly to the north that begins with M, to have had warning lights removed from the instrument cluster, or broken out with a chisel in the case of LEDs. Who is to say that the instrument cluster wasn't pulled from some other car (they come with front cuts, right?) and installed?
Not that I put much stock in odometer readings, anyway, but it doesn't make sense to me to put that much faith in a number like that, especially when it can be expected that someone isn't going to go through the hassle of trying to find the car's history.
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