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Tim Baxter
Tim Baxter Online Editor
9/23/08 8:31 a.m.

http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/badass_pony.php

Who says Ford doesn't sweat the details?

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/23/08 8:36 a.m.

wow, what a difference!

no, i'm not serious.

confuZion3
confuZion3 HalfDork
9/23/08 8:51 a.m.

So what's the 2010 Mustang going to look like? I was so proud of Ford in 2005 with what they were able to do with the Mustang in its redesign. I can't imagine a disappointing 2010 model year.

jrw1621
jrw1621 Reader
9/23/08 9:09 a.m.

This overlay is interesting.

The yellow represents the new version and the old is in silver

To me the three pointed mane looks too much like a dinosaur

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 Reader
9/23/08 9:24 a.m.

they still don't have an LS1 so what's the big deal?

bravenrace
bravenrace HalfDork
9/23/08 10:26 a.m.
confuZion3 wrote: So what's the 2010 Mustang going to look like? I was so proud of Ford in 2005 with what they were able to do with the Mustang in its redesign. I can't imagine a disappointing 2010 model year.

Not much to see really:

Click Here

Twin_Cam
Twin_Cam Dork
9/23/08 11:01 a.m.

I'm so glad car companies are still making retro cars...oh wait, no I'm not.

Lugnut
Lugnut Reader
9/23/08 12:22 p.m.

At least Porsche no longer has the laziest design department in the automotive world. The '09 and '10 Mustangs look much more similar than the 996 and 997 or 986 and 987!

I can't wait until the next revolutionary Mustang model. Maybe the all new 2014 Mustang will have a different radio or something.

thatsnowinnebago
thatsnowinnebago GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/23/08 5:36 p.m.

Maybe the next redesign will be a Mustang II remake!!!

Salanis
Salanis SuperDork
9/23/08 5:40 p.m.

Someone got paid good money to do that, too.

Thinkkker
Thinkkker SuperDork
9/23/08 6:26 p.m.
thatsnowinnebago wrote: Maybe the next redesign will be a Mustang II remake!!!

Ill put my name on the list now!!!!

That means better suspension and Much lighter! YEAH!!!!!

yes I do have a coupe of II's

Varkwso
Varkwso Reader
9/23/08 6:44 p.m.
Thinkkker wrote:
thatsnowinnebago wrote: Maybe the next redesign will be a Mustang II remake!!!
Ill put my name on the list now!!!! That means better suspension and Much lighter! YEAH!!!!! *yes I do have a coupe of II's *

An underappreciated car from my formative years in High School - I too have a soft spot for the "unloved" II.

confuZion3
confuZion3 HalfDork
9/23/08 8:21 p.m.

Ooh! I like it! The interior seems to be the biggest change. (Lugnut, there's your radio!) Well, that and the cow paint scheme (I know! it's fake! But I can dream, right?).

I'm willing to bet the engines are changed though. Hopefully the V-6 will get smaller, but with a slightly bumped-up output and gas mileage. This way, it will make more sense - a 4.0 liter V-6 with 60 hp less than the slightly larger 4.6 liter V-8? Come on.

I also heard that Ford considered a twin-turbo V-6 as a replacement for the V-8. Honestly though, if this occurs, I'll be disappointed. I don't think it will. Ford knows not to berkeley with the Mustang that much. Remember the Probe? That was the result of death-threats and angry letters. I bet the GT will get a nice, healthy bump in the HP department. My bet is somewhere just shy of 400 hp. You can't have your flagship sports car be outperformed by a 3.5 liter Nissan! And with the Camaro finally coming onto the scene, Ford will have to make a move to try to reestablish its dominance in the Pony car scene.

maroon92
maroon92 SuperDork
9/23/08 9:16 p.m.

you have to remember that the 4.0 V-6 is pushrod, and the 4.6 is DOHC.

mattmacklind
mattmacklind SuperDork
9/23/08 10:36 p.m.

A little Mustang II influence would be a good thing. The Mustang is positively obese looking. Not hatin', just sayin'.

bravenrace
bravenrace HalfDork
9/24/08 6:18 a.m.

If you look into the engine bay of a Mustang GT or Shelby, you quickly realize that the car is that big to accomodate the OHC engine. Everyone criticized Chevy for sticking with the pushrod engine, but in hindsight, I think it was a good move. Its smaller, so the car can be smaller (not saying it IS smaller, just that it doesn't need to be as big to fit the engine), lower, and there's no denying that they are getting some fantastic gas mileage from the LS engine family. Torque has it's advantages. If you really want to get an idea of how beig a new Mustang is, park it next to a '65 Mustang.

confuZion3
confuZion3 HalfDork
9/24/08 8:17 a.m.
maroon92 wrote: and the 4.6 is DOHC.

The 4.6 is SOHC.

bravenrace
bravenrace HalfDork
9/24/08 8:40 a.m.

The 4.6 has been made in both SOHC and DOHC.

Thinkkker
Thinkkker SuperDork
9/24/08 8:45 a.m.

I think there is another problem with the 4.6. Its simply design flawed. They layed it out and it is not a small engine externally, as said. Many other companies make OHC and DOHC engines the same size in cubic inches, but they are much smaller externally.

If they changed the engine to make it narrower and such, it would work out better. This wil require a new egine. Is hurricane the correct nomenclature I am thinking of???

confuZion3
confuZion3 HalfDork
9/24/08 8:49 a.m.
bravenrace wrote: The 4.6 has been made in both SOHC and DOHC.

Right. I was thinking more of base vs GT. You're right.

I'm waiting for TOHC! Yeah, baby! 6 cams!

maroon92
maroon92 SuperDork
9/24/08 11:03 a.m.

the only car still on the market with a SOHC 4.6 is the Crown Vic (only available as a fleet car) / Lincoln Town Car (not long for this world)

P71
P71 GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/24/08 11:26 a.m.

Yeah... umm... you may want to check your sources there maroon...

Mustang GT/GT-CS/Bullitt/Shelby GT/GT-H all use the same 4.6L, SOHC, 3-Valve/cylinder engine. The 5.4L in the F150 is also SOHC 3-Valve.

In fact, the only DOHC still in production is the Supercharged 5.4L 4-valve Shelby GT500 and it's 30 flipping variants.

4.6L V8 Production (RWD cars):

"Non Performance Improved" SOHC 2V (~150HP dog): Thunderbird and Cougar (94ish to 97) Crown Vic/Grand Marquis/Town Car (92ish to 2000) Mustang GT (96-98)

"Performance Improved" SOHC 2V (~240HP better): Crown Vic/Grand Marquis/Town Car (2001-present) Mustang GT (99-04)

"Old" 4V DOHC (Good): Mustang Cobra (96-98) Lincoln Mark VIII (all years)

"Mid" 4V DOHC (CRAP in 99, so-so later): Mustang Cobra (99, 01-02) Mustang Bullitt (01)

"Late" 4V DOHC (Yay!): Mustang Cobra (03-04, with blower on all) Mustang Mach 1 (03-04)

3V SOHC (300HP): Mustang GT (05-present, including all N/A variant models)

bravenrace
bravenrace HalfDork
9/24/08 11:31 a.m.

Correction - The 96-97 GT's had 215hp, not 150 - that was what the V-6 had. The '98 GT had 225hp, and in '99 they upped it to 260hp.

P71
P71 GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/24/08 11:36 a.m.

Ford said it had 215, reality was a LOT less friendly... Many, many, many, many dynos and ET's have shown how vastly under-performing that entire line was...

But yes, the P! is 260 for the 'Stang, it's 240 in everything else.

Duke
Duke Dork
9/24/08 11:52 a.m.
Tim Baxter wrote: Who says Ford doesn't sweat the details?

Also known as "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic"...

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