New brakes for the LTD

Mimicking my question from a few years ago, here are the specifics:

Caliper needed for 12" rotor, 1.25" thick. Floating or fixed, OEM only. Alum preferred. The aftermarket solution is $165, so it should be much less than that or else it's useless. It also must have cheap (Less than $150) Hawk HT-10, DTC-60 or DTC-70 pads available for it. This is for Lemons, on a big car. 3800 lbs.

GO!

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Try that.

It is a caliper for a Chevy caprice cop car. That is what we run on the malibu. Race pads are readily available and you can get the calipers for about $20.00. These work on a 12" rotor. I am not sure about the thickness. I will measure when I get home tonight to let you know.

I know nothing about Fords to help you there.

Rob R.

SN95 Mustang Cobra brakes are 13" and use a good caliper that is available cheap (actually, the whole setup is cheap). Might be worth looking at there, as it's the same bolt pattern and everything, so you could convert the whole shin-dig.

Otherwise, I'm thinking C4 Vette brakes were 12" rotor / aluminum caliper...

Cobra so far is the only one of those listed that is thick enough. Nicely done.

tuna55 wrote: Cobra so far is the only one of those listed that is thick enough. Nicely done.

ouch, $185 pads though...

Really? Damn! Are you sure no other pads will do? (Say, Hawk HP+?) I thought for sure those would be the ticket.

Javelin wrote: Really? Damn! Are you sure no other pads will do? (Say, Hawk HP+?) I thought for sure those would be the ticket.

Right now the best solution is the Wilwood Superlites off of ebay... we like that HT-10 pad a lot.

S197 GT, same as what I adapted to the '68 mustang? hotlink below is the exact kit from the exact supplier that i used. price is now $30 less than when i bought. performance friction makes a drop-in pad, as PFC is the OE supplier for the "Track Package" cars.

'05 - '09 S197 GT brakes with the cheapness!

under $200 for the axle set. it's a cast iron bracket with an aluminum caliper body, twin 42mm piston, slider. it's an OE part so it's been through full battery of durability tests etc. comes with jounce hoses still attached (ie no need to mess with banjo bolts and crush washers). I used a brass adapter between the metric bubble flare on the jounce hose to the 3/16" SAE inverted flare on the chassis hard line. it's a pretty bulletproof solution, but requires 17" rims. Should package inside latest P71 steelies no prob.

srsly, with the PFC track package lining and some dryer hose brake ducts, this should be just about right for your car. S197 is probably not lighter, and is undoubtedly faster, than your lemons car.

In reply to AngryCorvair:

Wow, pretty good deal there, I wonder how hard it is to adapt those to an SN95. It seems like 13" Cobra/Mach1 bits to do the same are about $200 more brand new. Although maybe there's a better way to source that setup cheap. Thoughts?

no go, angry!

The rotors are integral with the hubs on the LTD, and are a crazy bolt pattern 5x5. That's why we were sticking with the 1.25" rotor thickness requirement. The calipers may work though, and that's a good price.

In reply to pres589:

Unpossible. The SN95 uses an traditional spindle and the wheel bearings/hub are part of the rotor. You'd have to find a a non-bolt-on hub to go on the spindle (which is one piece with the upright, they don't unbolt like an AMC) and then slide the rotor onto it.

Also, the S197 Mustang brakes are so cheap because they are the same brakes on an 03-11 P71

Javelin wrote: Also, the S197 Mustang brakes are so cheap because they are the same brakes on an 03-11 P71

i don't think so. pretty sure the CV used a Bosch caliper, and i know 100% the S197 caliper is from TRW.

i think they're cheap because (1) ford sold about 190k S197s per year for the first few years of production and (2) tuners who start with a complete car and install bigger brakes sell the OE parts cheap because some recoup is better than a shop full of OE parts.

to the OP: poke around on that website i linked. they sell the loaded calipers with hoses separately from the rotors as well.

Javelin wrote: In reply to pres589: Unpossible. The SN95 uses an traditional spindle and the wheel bearings/hub are part of the rotor. You'd have to find a a non-bolt-on hub to go on the spindle (which is one piece with the upright, they don't unbolt like an AMC) and then slide the rotor onto it.

Or go to a machine shop and have them chuck up the "uni-cast" rotor/hub on their lathe and reduce it to a slip-on hub.

I didn't have that problem when retrofitting S197 brakes to the '68 because the '68 used a slip-on drum (albeit staked in place by the OE wheel studs).

The C4 Corvette caliper may work. The part is a PBR supplied unit, just like BAER brakes. There were some Cobra Mustangs with the same set up. With the LTD and Fox shareing alot of parts, and being the same supplier.... The C4 calipers came in 2 widths, the 13" is wider. I was able to buy C4 calipers w/ brackets reman for $50 ea with a little shopping.

Attn: Javelin----

I can not find a common part between any S197 brakes and P71 brakes.

The mustang rotors are either half an inch smaller (base model) or half an inch larger (GT) than the crown vic.

The mustang calipers and P71 calipers are completely different.

The P71 pads have a larger total area, and are roughly half an inch more total length.

I work at a parts store. I have compared them in person.

belteshazzar wrote: The P71 pads have a larger total area, and are roughly half an inch more total length. I work at a parts store. I have compared them in person.

slight derailment happening here, but IIRC my interchange codes, the S197 front pad is the 1042 and the CVPI front pad is the 931, but it's been a couple years....

sometimes the part number is different but the pad is the same/just a different compound. this is not one of those instances.

Angry - we bought those calipers and Hawk DTC-60 pads to go with it.

Thanks!

Now, does anyone know how to figure out the brake flex lines? What are they for the stang? What about for a 75 LTD?

i would suggest custom made.

in our town there's a local brake-supply shop that can knock a set out in no time.

In reply to belteshazzar:

Really? Hrrrmmm... You are looking up 2005 Mustang and 2003 P71, yes? They have to be related as they use identical offsett wheels and there were multiple guys swapping the S197 optional track pack brakes on. Literally "bolt on", no mods needed.

Maybe I have the years wrong on the P71? I dunno, I gave all my source material to the P71's new owner. I didn't really pay too close attention to it since mine was an 01 anyways.

i'm referencing all panther chassis cars made 2003 and later, and the entire S197.

Tuna -- use the mustang flex lines. IIRC they take an ISO M11x1.0 fitting, so what you should do is take the caliper and jounce hose with you when you go to NAPA, and get an adapter that has M11x1.0 male on one end and 3/16" SAE inverted flare female on the other end. this will accept a 3/8" tube nut. then replace the hard line on the car with a piece of 3/16" hard line that has the SAE flare already formed on it and also has the 3/8" tube nut. Easy Peasy!

Javelin -- TRW got the mustang caliper business for MY05 and beyond. I was the lead engineer on the ABS/TCS for that project.

Javelin wrote: In reply to pres589: Unpossible. The SN95 uses an traditional spindle and the wheel bearings/hub are part of the rotor. You'd have to find a a non-bolt-on hub to go on the spindle (which is one piece with the upright, they don't unbolt like an AMC) and then slide the rotor onto it.

Javelin, that is (at least in the case of my 97 cobra) wrong. Rotor doesn't include the bearings. Might be true for a GT or V6, but the 13" PBR setup (cobra/mach1). I have a separate hub that includes the bearings as well as the studs for the wheels that is not part of the spindle.

Not my car, but same setup.

Does anyone know the the bolt thread which holds the caliper bracket to the car?