Hmmm...So maybe they actually decided to not be cheap, lazy, shiny happy people this time and instead decided to take a page out of the Ford Coyote development handbook when developing their 'world class' sports car. There may just be hope yet!
Hmmm...So maybe they actually decided to not be cheap, lazy, shiny happy people this time and instead decided to take a page out of the Ford Coyote development handbook when developing their 'world class' sports car. There may just be hope yet!
In reply to Driven5:
How was GM cheap or lazy with the Gen3/4 motors and what does the Ford Coyote program have anything to do with it? The Mod Motor came out in what, 92? and it took Ford until 2011 to finally turn it into a good motor. That's 19 years!
Javelin wrote: In reply to Driven5: How was GM cheap or lazy with the Gen3/4 motors and what does the Ford Coyote program have anything to do with it? The Mod Motor came out in what, 92? and it took Ford until 2011 to *finally* turn it into a good motor. That's 19 years!
If you sell a $50k track oriented sports car, which then destroys it's motor in high speed left hand turns, that seems lazy.
No you're right, neglect/poor testing and analysis.................wait, yeah, lazy.
In reply to z31maniac:
Are you talking about the base-model Corvette's starving (out on a road course under a very specific type of cornering load that most sports cars can't even do mind you) the oil or a dry-sump Z06 (the actual track model)?
And yeah, I'm sure even Ferrari makes sure their stuff can do every imaginable cornering load from every track configuration too... 
How is it not cheap and lazy to know about an existing weakness in your flagship product line, and do absolutely nothing to fix it when you have a golden opportunity to do so? And yes the "track model" Z06's were known to eat engines due to oil starvation problems as well...Magical dry-sump and all. But considering what the Corvette is 'suppposed' to be for GM, even a base model shouldn't have so low of a safety margin for performance on stock tires that it will grenade engines when pushed hard on the track, regardless of what DOT tires are slapped on it...But that's just my humble opinion.
The reason I brought up Ford was that when they upgraded the Mod motor to the Coyote, they tried to improve everything about it, including the track capabilities and shortcomings of the oiling system. They even made it a point to discuss how they tested it for sustained high G cornering by using just such a test stand as described by Keith in regards to the LT1...Hence my comment. But from what I can tell, if anything GM's oiling system actually became less track capable when going from Gen III to Gen IV even as the cars they were put in became more capable. Thus why SCCA so generously allows the C6 (both standard and Z06) Corvettes to save engines with aftermarket dry sump systems, in addition to the otherwise allowed accusumps and oil coolers, while every other T2 car including the C5, M3, Viper, Mustang, Evo, 370Z, 911, Cayman, and STI are all still required to chance it on the OEM oiling systems.
I do genuinely hope that GM has finally elected to resolve this issue on the Gen V engines, as it would likely take an otherwise great engine and make it damn near epic.
Beer Baron wrote: If they can't produce a 6L+ V8 that gets at least 100hp and 100ft/lbs per liter, packages up into the space of a rotary, returns over 30mpg on the freeway, and produces less emissions than a hamster fart, packaged in a good handling, RWD platform that retails for under $30k with with A/C, ABS, and power everything with a 10year/100,000mile warranty, then screw them! I ain't buying!
You had me at hamster fart.
Can't believe we've made it to page three and no one has put up this picture (hotlinked for your pleasure):
In reply to Javelin:
They played the odds.....chances are they knew, but considering under 1% of the LS pattern engines would ever see racing, why would they care. I don't see them being cheap for it, but they also know what their Corvette demographic is.
Wow, 316 torques @ 1000 rpm!
all this talk of displacement is making me hungry...
for a multi-air hemi!
I am facepalming myself as type this But what is the weight of a coyote vs the new LS1?
No idea, but I'd bet at least 100lbs.
From what I am finding it is about 20... in favor of the the COYOTE!!???!!!??
GM hasn't given but two reference points. 1 it is heavier than the LS3 2 it is 40 lbs lighter than the S63TU BMW.
The LS3 was 415 as I could find and the Coyote is 430. (although FRP listed it as the package weight of 533)
Let't just call them close. So the LT1 is basically 1 hp / lb and the Coyote defies space and time being that large and light.
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