screw that, the facelift for the challenger looks awesome! Looks like the 71 update.
slides # 11 & 23
screw that, the facelift for the challenger looks awesome! Looks like the 71 update.
slides # 11 & 23
Fiat reliability, dodge quality. Hurray! 
In reply to HiTempguy:
Yes, because there have been so many failures of Fiat's current products. Especially compared to Subaru's in recent memory (how many headgasket issues did the 2.5's have? How many WRX transaxles were replaced with warranty claims being denied? How many turbo motors have blown up?)
In reply to HiTempguy:
Plus NTHSA recalls
In reply to turboswede: (Disclaimer: This might be covered in your "turbo motors blowing up" section)
Don't forget the ringland failures causing engines to be replaced with most warranty claims being denied.....
turboswede wrote: In reply to HiTempguy: Yes, because there have been so many failures of Fiat's current products. Especially compared to Subaru's in recent memory (how many headgasket issues did the 2.5's have? How many WRX transaxles were replaced with warranty claims being denied? How many turbo motors have blown up?)
Fiat doesn't have any "current" products, they are all brand new and less than two years old. 
Having said that, I was more making a joke at the fact that typically brand awareness is generational. Anyone who has dealt with a Fiat pre-millenium or a Dodge older than about 2008 know exactly what I mean. Their new products are swell, but that is an EXTREMELY recent thing.
As for the Subaru thing, to each their own. Transmissions breaking at stock power levels was extremely rare. Only certain model year STi's had the piston/blowing up issue (and it was a small percentage). The fix was a $400 tune that got you better performance (and half the blown up motors were due to modifications).
I will give you the 2.5 headgasket issue. But Subaru uses the same motor in EVERYTHING, so their unfortunate small screwup happened everywhere. Every motor before or after that has been pretty good. If I had to list all of Dodge's and Fiat's failings... holy crap we'd be here a week :P
I will chime in here. I have been doing the tour looking and test driving cars over the last little while. I have driven the Dart, it is a nice design and pretty nimble. I will say that my Caravan has really turned me off of Dodge products. It is a 2008, and just seems under engineered. The brakes feel weak and seem to wear fast, every year and half or so. Plus they are always noisy. In the past year I had to replace the engine, the bottom end fell out and the rear wheel bearings. I admit, I may have a lemon, but it is the family hauler and I would have thought it to be more robust than this. I am glad to see it discontinued in 2016.
Just saying, and to all the Mopar fans out there, the old muscle was the best muscle.
Mike Kirby
In reply to Mike924:
And even those cars of lore usually have nothing that works inside, run like E36 M3, or have mismatched parts galore, yet are expected to sell for $Texas on the auction block due to hype.
I'll admit, over the years, they are more reliable than deloreans....
HiTempguy wrote:turboswede wrote: In reply to HiTempguy: Yes, because there have been so many failures of Fiat's current products. Especially compared to Subaru's in recent memory (how many headgasket issues did the 2.5's have? How many WRX transaxles were replaced with warranty claims being denied? How many turbo motors have blown up?)Fiat doesn't have any "current" products, they are all brand new and less than two years old.
They have plenty older then 2 years old in Europe...
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