The latest from Autoweek says maybe.
Discuss.
The latest from Autoweek says maybe.
Discuss.
They may well cut some models including the Z, but at this point it's just Autoweek's speculation.
Infiniti is pulling out of West Europe wholesale too.
Though Autoweek can only assume and speculate, their mindset ins't wrong and it's pretty clear they thought about the bottom line- which in Nissan's case right now, is what they are GOING to think about. I could see them cutting the 370Z- but only if at the same time announcing a replacement "in the future", to keep their fans around like Mitsubishi did.
Last CEO in jail for mismanagment of funds? Check
Unhappy corporate marriage with smaller French company? Check
Profit down 99% year-over-year? Check
Ancient product lineup of "also rans"? Check
Slow-selling sports cars probably aren't a priority these days.
In general, I feel like Nissan hasn’t been relevant for about 10 years. They’ve done little to update their products. As the Koreans gain a larger and larger market segment, especially in the very-cheap segment, the Japanese manufactures have to distinguish themselves somehow. Honda’s taken a sportier and more refined direction save for the styling of the new civic and Toyota continue to impress with reliable hybrids. Even GM and ford, the poster children for antiquity, have managed to build some
impressive vehicles both from a technological and performance perspective . Nissan has just failed to keep up and now they’re dying.
The article says the Z is a decade old, but I think it's even older than that, isn't it? Seeing how my car (G37) is very heavily related to it, I don't want to knock it too much. However, when I think Nissan 370Z, I think "ancient". if it doesn't get a complete redo, I think it's time to put it out to pasture.
If the Versa goes, then what will rental fleets do for economy cars?? Chevy Spark, here we come....
In reply to Klayfish :
The 370Z coupe made its debut for the 2009 model year--along with the current GT-R--and carries on into 2020. The roadster was released for the 2010 model year.
Nissan let the 370Z and GT-R wither on the vine and the passenger cars haven't fared much better.
I am curious to see what their path forward is.. But I'm not surprised if they cut a bunch of car models.
I can't imagine the Maxima is long for this world.
Is there a difference between the Maxima and the Altima? Considering the 350z came out in 2002 and the 370 is a current model, we are only 3 years from a 20 year old design! The original Superduty didn't even last that long.
I'd be very much okay if they stopped selling all of them.
Is there a single standout vehicle in Nissan's entire portfolio right now?
Let's go down the main product line, Infiniti excluded:
Versa: Cheapest car in the USA, but hopelessly outclassed by its less-frumpy peers. Kill it.
Sentra: Is there anyone that would pick one over a Corolla or Civic? Really? Kill it.
Altima: The darling of rental fleets and subprime lenders, and it's just OK. Keep it because it's one of the two best selling vehicles in the line.
Maxima: As I have been asking myself since around 2003, why does this exist alongside the Altima, which is basically the same car? They really could have made this car special, but it's just a tarted-up Altima, as it has been for many years now. As much as it pains me to say, Kill it.
LEAF: Ok, this one gets a strong pass, because it's one of the few affordable all-electrics around. Keep it.
370Z: Want to buy a car from 11 years ago? Here you go. They should be punished for letting this legendary nameplate languish! Kill it, but FOR THE SAKE OF THE CAR GODS, REPLACE IT!!!!
GT-R: All they have done to update this model is increase the MSRP. Still a cool car and all, but c'mon! Going for the controversial Kill it.
Kicks: I guess this is an AWD, tall Sentra? What's that? I'm getting word that this is FWD-only. And the name is dumb. Keep it, but change the name and offer AWD.
Rogue Sport: The "sport" means it's smaller than the Rogue and has less power. Plus, it's nearly the same price as the regular Rogue. Kill it.
Rogue: If you crack 80k miles on one of these with its original CVT, you should go play the lottery. This is their bread and butter, so they have to Keep it.
Murano: Like the Maxima, I don't get why this exists when the Rogue is pretty much the same deal. Straight out of the GM playbook of inter-brand redundancy. Kill it.
Pathfinder: This costs the same as the Murano, but has an extra row of seats and a more explodey CVT. See below.
Armada: Based on the Titan, but that chassis dates back to 2004 and this thing starts at FORTY SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. Lower the artificially inflated price, Keep It and rename it the Pathfinder!
Titan (and Titan XD): They mailed it in on the refresh and no one likes it. Plus, the Cummins V8 seems like a serious flop. Keep it, but make it better.
Frontier: One of the hottest segments in all of car sales right now is the midsize pickup. The 2nd oldest ones debuted around 2014. This thing debuted in 2005. That's inexcusable, yet they still sell pretty well. Keep it, but for the love of God update the damn thing!
NV-Line: The tall ones in white look like Brian Griffin from Family Guy, so that alone gets a Keep it.
Another problem is their insistence on the CVT. Judging by the never-ending mountain of broken ones that resides at a friend's dealership, I can't imagine this is a cost-effective solution for car manufacturing. Wacky driving characteristics aside, and yes I know they have gotten better over the years, just about every car that was in his sizeable shop was there for a CVT replacement. Most of these cars had 50-75k on them. We like to knock them in the auto enthusiast circle, but man, that can't be good!
Honestly, I don't know if they have it in their current makeup to get their act together. They are in deep trouble.
David S. Wallens said:In reply to Klayfish :
The 370Z coupe made its debut for the 2009 model year--along with the current GT-R--and carries on into 2020. The roadster was released for the 2010 model year.
Is it still based on the original FM platform from the early 2000s?
penultimeta said:In general, I feel like Nissan hasn’t been relevant for about 10 years. They’ve done little to update their products. As the Koreans gain a larger and larger market segment, especially in the very-cheap segment, the Japanese manufactures have to distinguish themselves somehow. Honda’s taken a sportier and more refined direction save for the styling of the new civic and Toyota continue to impress with reliable hybrids. Even GM and ford, the poster children for antiquity, have managed to build some
impressive vehicles both from a technological and performance perspective . Nissan has just failed to keep up and now they’re dying.
Nissan has the M.O. of: "introduce a segment-defining product" and then ride that thang into the sunset. The Z is a door-stop, the current Titan is abhorrent, the current gen Maxima is nice, but no one considers it because it coasted for so long. I think Nissan is going to go through a long dark period. I bought a first-gen Titan. Absolutely fantastic truck. Hated to give it up three years later due to family issues.
Klayfish said:The article says the Z is a decade old, but I think it's even older than that, isn't it? Seeing how my car (G37) is very heavily related to it, I don't want to knock it too much. However, when I think Nissan 370Z, I think "ancient". if it doesn't get a complete redo, I think it's time to put it out to pasture.
If the Versa goes, then what will rental fleets do for economy cars?? Chevy Spark, here we come....
Oh God, I had to rent a Versa with a CVT for a one-way trip. It was offensive in every possible way. I mean, I wanted "cheap and get me there,", but I did not anticipate the hours of hatred it caused.
Fun fact: The 370Z has been made for more model years than the "5.0" fox Mustang (2009-2019 or 11my vs. 1987-1993 or 7my) and combined with the 350Z is older than the entire fox-based run (2002-2019 or 18my vs. 1979-1993 or 15my).
The Frontier (2005-2019 or 15my) is creeping in on the XJ Cherokee (1983-2001 or 19my) and has had far less facelifts.
Nissan could go belly up tomorrow and nobody would notice.
Jeeez.. how did my old colleagues get this so wrong..
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15091901/2016-nissan-titan-xd-long-term-test-review/
There’s no easy way to say this: Our long-term Nissan Titan XD Diesel was one of the most disappointing new vehicles we have evaluated in recent memory, a distinction highlighted by our truck’s serious mechanical issues and grounded in its general inability to endear when it was healthy.
Shadeux said:Klayfish said:The article says the Z is a decade old, but I think it's even older than that, isn't it? Seeing how my car (G37) is very heavily related to it, I don't want to knock it too much. However, when I think Nissan 370Z, I think "ancient". if it doesn't get a complete redo, I think it's time to put it out to pasture.
If the Versa goes, then what will rental fleets do for economy cars?? Chevy Spark, here we come....
Oh God, I had to rent a Versa with a CVT for a one-way trip. It was offensive in every possible way. I mean, I wanted "cheap and get me there,", but I did not anticipate the hours of hatred it caused.
I dated a girl that willingly rented a versa with a CVT and then went out and bought a versa with a CVT brand new.
This relationship did not last long
Javelin said:Fun fact: The 370Z has been made for more model years than the "5.0" fox Mustang (2009-2019 or 11my vs. 1987-1993 or 7my) and combined with the 350Z is older than the entire fox-based run (2002-2019 or 18my vs. 1979-1993 or 15my).
The Frontier (2005-2019 or 15my) is creeping in on the XJ Cherokee (1983-2001 or 19my) and has had far less facelifts.
Nissan could go belly up tomorrow and nobody would notice.
The Fox-body Mustang didn't go on sale in 1979. Thank you for the update.
Hertz is loaded with Nissans. Enterprise too. The problem is that sales to these two are not really about profit and more about attempting to gain some life sustaining volume. These former rental car sales are why you see so many Versa/Sentra/Altima/Frontier/Armada on the used car lots.
In reply to Javelin :
The GT-R fabois would, but otherwise, yeah. Rental companies would scramble to replace their Versas, etc. with more Korean, Chryco and GM bottom rung products.
I remember when they, Mazda and Toyota were seemingly working hard to one-up each other in nearly every category.
Now Mazda is doing their best to focus on making fun, but good cars in segments where they can get wins. Toyota is so beige that you'd think it was found at the same store their owners buy their walkers and canes, but they are still decent products that get refreshed from time to time, plus their luxury brand has some excitment now. Nissan couldn't build anything today that can compete with the Koreans, let alone Toyota or Mazda (The GT-R doesn't count since none of its DNA or Tech is found in their other products) and Infiniti is still just lost.
The new Versa hasn't even hit showrooms yet. I keep looking. But I've seen some 2yr old Nissan Certified Versas on Carfax for under $8k. Maybe they're trying to get rid of those quickly to not have them around when the new model hits. 
z31maniac said:Javelin said:Fun fact: The 370Z has been made for more model years than the "5.0" fox Mustang (2009-2019 or 11my vs. 1987-1993 or 7my) and combined with the 350Z is older than the entire fox-based run (2002-2019 or 18my vs. 1979-1993 or 15my).
The Frontier (2005-2019 or 15my) is creeping in on the XJ Cherokee (1983-2001 or 19my) and has had far less facelifts.
Nissan could go belly up tomorrow and nobody would notice.
The Fox-body Mustang didn't go on sale in 1979. Thank you for the update.
Oh really?
Not to knock Autoweek or nothing but that's some pretty lazy journalism there. Went back and read the article after the page finally loaded.
One of the eight suggestions was the Versa because it was so outdated. Um that pop-up music festival/launch party in Florida back in March or April for the new model?
Yes it's still not in showrooms but it looks decent and for someone that can't spend almost $30k on a new loaded Civic or Corolla sedan it's gotta be tempting.
The bigger picture for me is the possible complete and total annihilation of all sedans across all makes not just say the Sentra or Maxima which I agree should probably go away due to redundancy with the Versa and Altima.
The CuteUtilityVehicle and SuddenlyUncontrollableVehicle segment I could care less about period full stop. Fully one half of the population has given me no incentivized need (kids) to ever consider one anyways. 
Divorcing Renault and getting back to a more Japanese identity should be a priority. Sod conformity and globalist world markets. 
Javelin said:z31maniac said:Javelin said:Fun fact: The 370Z has been made for more model years than the "5.0" fox Mustang (2009-2019 or 11my vs. 1987-1993 or 7my) and combined with the 350Z is older than the entire fox-based run (2002-2019 or 18my vs. 1979-1993 or 15my).
The Frontier (2005-2019 or 15my) is creeping in on the XJ Cherokee (1983-2001 or 19my) and has had far less facelifts.
Nissan could go belly up tomorrow and nobody would notice.
The Fox-body Mustang didn't go on sale in 1979. Thank you for the update.
Oh really?
I guess you didn't pick up on the sarcasm since you referenced the 5.0 Fox body being on sale from 87-93, when it was in fact available from 1979-1993. '87 wasn't even the first year of FI over the previous carb'd versions.
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