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it could open up new names for brands such as JeeF (jerks engineered every fromage)and FIAP (Fix it again Pierre)
consolidation seems to be the way of the world now.
discuss
it could open up new names for brands such as JeeF (jerks engineered every fromage)and FIAP (Fix it again Pierre)
consolidation seems to be the way of the world now.
The automotive equivalent of a musical merger of Nickelback, Limp Bizkit, and Smash Mouth. Gag.
Could conceivably not suck if we somehow get the Peugeot 308 GT on this side of the pond. But of course, they'll just send some cute-ute crossover instead. Because 'Murica.
Im ok with this. Peugeot has some interesting products. Chrysler has almost nowhere to go but up. I'll be watching.
The more likely shared car/platform will be an EV.
I predict that the US will then get some Peugeot models that will sell just as poorly as the Fiat and Alfa brands.
Example: will we get back the Opel based Buicks now that Opel is Peugeot? Buicks couldn't sell em. Badged as Peugeots will they sell better? Probably not.
Does Chrysler remember what happened the last time it tried a corporate merger
cause uh
It didn't go so well
Yawn.
alfadriver said:The more likely shared car/platform will be an EV.
I think this is likely; new tech is more expensive to develop far enough for production, no? Even if marginal gains on the old don't come cheap.
For some reason this post very much made me think about the idea of increasing commodification of vehicles. Everybody here likes specific vehicles for specific reasons, but maybe a significant part of the population is ready to see the types of differences you'd get between different smart phones? Enough size, enough range, some styling preference, the latest features...
The latest copy of the Roundel notes a column (elsewhere) pushing an X2 variant as the spiritual successor to the 2002 tii, while they're still making compact sedans... I cringed as someone in said publication offhanded the idea that the X2 "probably handles just as well"... If folks who dabble in writing the BMW club magazine don't care about the difference between sedan and CUV, why would manufacturers keep making so many different vehicles as the EV thing causes a technological narrowing of scope of differentiation...
FAAP. French American Auto Program.
It would be apt, Since the vehicles will be highly unreliable you will end up spending a lot of time fapping in their cars on the side of the road. What, you guys don't fap in the car? You're missing out.
stuck in traffic? Fap. Long drive on the interstate? Fap. Road trip with the lady? She fap! Fap at the drag strip, strip club, porsche club.
FAAP, the latest trend from Fronce.
Poor Chrysler. Guess it's better than selling off the Jeep brand to China. What a long strange trip it's been.
Ransom said:alfadriver said:The more likely shared car/platform will be an EV.
I think this is likely; new tech is more expensive to develop far enough for production, no? Even if marginal gains on the old don't come cheap.
For some reason this post very much made me think about the idea of increasing commodification of vehicles. Everybody here likes specific vehicles for specific reasons, but maybe a significant part of the population is ready to see the types of differences you'd get between different smart phones? Enough size, enough range, some styling preference, the latest features...
The latest copy of the Roundel notes a column (elsewhere) pushing an X2 variant as the spiritual successor to the 2002 tii, while they're still making compact sedans... I cringed as someone in said publication offhanded the idea that the X2 "probably handles just as well"... If folks who dabble in writing the BMW club magazine don't care about the difference between sedan and CUV, why would manufacturers keep making so many different vehicles as the EV thing causes a technological narrowing of scope of differentiation...
meh, modern cars DO handle better in general. Better suspension, better tires, better brakes, better power, etc. Didn't PCA do a test a year or two ago of a Macan vs. a 944 Turbo and the Macan absolutely crushed the 944 on a track. This isn't shocking.
In reply to irish44j :
I believe the thing said was that the X probably handled as well as the contemporary sedan (I didn't contextualize the quote well). I'm sure it'd crush the tii in any quantitative comparison. And it probably handles much better than it needs to as a production people mover. But as well as the sedan, for the uses of an enthusiast? I'm not ready to cede that.
EDIT: And GRM provided some of the best old vs new with, IIRC, a Honda minivan eviscerating an E-type at an autocross. I may be mixing up one or both specific vehicles, but it was very much in that vein.
In reply to irish44j :
While you're not wrong at all, I would say a large portion of that is due to improved consumables (fluids, pads, tires, bushings, etc.). I'd argue that improved geometry is not as much of a factor as extreme chassis stiffening is as well
The ironic thing about this is that Chrysler sold their European operations to psa back in 1979.
Does this mean I can finally get a Citroen C4 Hellcactus?
MotorsportsGordon said:The ironic thing about this is that Chrysler sold their European operations to psa back in 1979.
Is that like when they started using VW engines around that time, that VW acquired from NSU, after NSU designed them for Mercedes?
Or is it like how they developed an engine for Mini (loosely based off of an engine loosely based on the engine they designed loosely based off of the VW engine) that ended up being put in the cars while BMW owned them, after Mercedes "merged with" Chrysler?
Automotive genelines are weird sometimes.
I'm mostly impressed that Chrysler has managed to keep hold of and leverage the Jeep brand through all of this. Who would have imagined what a great long term strategic move that was when they grabbed it so long ago.
The Italians and French team up to sell cars in America.
Oh yeah, that has success written all over it.
When does the Citroen Cactus SRT Enfer Widebody go on sale?
Corporate mergers are like a heroin addiction Chrysler just can't seem to beat.
mazdeuce - Seth said:I'm mostly impressed that Chrysler has managed to keep hold of and leverage the Jeep brand through all of this. Who would have imagined what a great long term strategic move that was when they grabbed it so long ago.
Worked great for AMC, too. Until Chrysler minimized and eliminated them, anyway.
Remember the AMC Eagle? That was the final version of the '59 Rambler. They made 'em until something like 1987. In that time, Chrysler used the Eagle name for captive imports (mostly Renaults, then Mitsubishis) to sell at Jeep dealers. Eventually they got bored with that and just shut it down.
So, does Chrysler make anything not an import anymore besides large pickups? Every late model Jeep or car that I see seems to be a restyled Fiat...
To the average customer who buys based on payments and falls for the 4 square treatment, I doubt it will mean much.
The Peugeot 508 SW looks nice, of course it won't make it across the pond.
I don't understand the pessimism on the tie-up here, it makes a ton of sense.
FCA:
PSA:
People are bizarrely thinking about this in terms of 208s roaming the streets of America, when they should really be thinking about this in terms of PSA's 2008/3008/5008 SUVs being branded as Dodges and replacing crap like the dead-on-the-vine Journey, while FCA now has immediate access to PSA's brand new EV platform. PSA gets US market penetration in exchange.
It makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Daimler tie-up, at least.
pointofdeparture said:
FCA:
- Does not have any modern small car, SUV or EV/hybrid platforms
Actually incorrect: they have the Pacifica Hybrid, but your point is accurate, they have been having some trouble with it and need to expand their technology.
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