I used to think it didn't belong in corporate america
I used to think it didn't belong in corporate america
Keith Tanner wrote:Swank Force One wrote: I'm afraid i don't understand the hubbub, when you can just watch all those episodes on the BBC website.... In good quality.But no more legally than you can watch it on other streaming websites. The BBC stream is intended for the UK only and you have to purposefully circumvent that limitation.
But they show it on BBC America.
AND, just to stir things up a little, we've had whole threads on how to cut the cable cord and how to get all the shows on your computer or some sort of TV substitute.
I saw it on BBC America and never gave it a second thought when I asked how to see it again and let my customers also see the show.
I thought I was doing good.
Just a quick point. All threads that talk about cutting the cord with a roku or Apple TV are generally very legal. Netflix, crackle, any of the nowhereman streams are legal. Netflix, Hulu and amazon are paid services in fact.
pinchvalve wrote: So where does piracy belong?
Disney?
JohnRW1621 wrote:pinchvalve wrote: So where does piracy belong?Disney?
Somalia?
On my home server. If you have a problem with piracy, even looking directly at it will cause your face to melt off 
Piracy belongs on the track. Leave it there.
Alan Cesar wrote: I just deleted a thread where a user was asking about where to watch a certain car show online for free.
There are streaming sites like Hulu where you may legally watch various shows without a paid subscription or pay per view.
I do not know which show you're speaking of, so I don't know if it's on there or not.
tuna55 wrote:Adrian_Thompson wrote: If it's a certain popular British TV buddy show that airs on sunday nights, then no it has no adverts, it's payed for by the British Tax payers through their TV licence fees of £145.50 (That's over $220 USD) per year. YEs, you have to have a licence to have a TV in your house.WOW.
$220/year/TV is cheap compared to most cable/dish plans.
If you're cheap (like me) or hate iTunes (like me), you can also buy episodes of Top Gear on Amazon for $1.99.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E3OVLTI?SubscriptionId=0SMVYTEJQZQ0MFNMXQ02&tag=clickermedia-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00E3OVLTI
Alan Cesar wrote: If you're cheap (like me) or hate iTunes (like me), you can also buy episodes of Top Gear on Amazon for $1.99. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E3OVLTI?SubscriptionId=0SMVYTEJQZQ0MFNMXQ02&tag=clickermedia-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00E3OVLTI
That's what I was going to ask. I hate iTunes with a flaming passion.
I've used Amazon's MP3 service quite frequently to buy music as it's more or less DRM-free and I can transfer it to odd devices (unlike Google Play, for some reason). Works very well.
Netflix streams Top Gear in the full length BBC versions.
And just to stir a bit more, I remember the movie industry lamenting that they're losing millions to piracy. Fair enough statement until it's thought through. The way they come up with that number is to estimate the number of illegal copies that were made, then multiply that by how much they charge per disc. The flaw is that they're assuming that if the person didn't stream/torrent it, they'd have paid money for the real disk. No they wouldn't, in fact probably only about 1% would. Yes, stealing is stealing, no getting around that, but let's also be honest with how much is really being lost. "Hundreds of millions" is much more impressive than "millions"...
I find it amusing that Top Gear is the subject of a piracy debate. The only reason anyone in this country even knew about or watched the show in the first place was because a certain website made it easy for semi computer literate people to download episodes. It was a government funded show only available to residents of another country paid for only by that countries taxes until bit-torrenting made it into what it is today. The BBC, Jeremy James and Richard, Netflix, Apple, Amazon, etc.. should be thanking the piracy crew for making them rich.
Apple, Amazon, Netflix and the like have figured out how to win the piracy debate: deliver the product in a way that costs the consumer enough less effort that they are willing to pay a nominal fee. The groups suing everybody to maintain a status quo are busy trying to stop time while the smart ones have moved on and are taking over.
A friend of mine worked for A Very Large Media Company, managing media at A Very Large Retailer. He said they were loosing a lot of money because of Russian pirates selling disks for a dollar in Russia. They complained to the Russian government who told them that the Russian people were poor and could not afford $20 a disk for a movie. They responded by changing the quality of the DVD down somewhat (so it wouldn't be the same) and selling the disks to the Russian public for like $3. Turns out the Russians would rather have a high quality copy for $3 than a low quality pirated cam for $1 and sales took off. Pirated movies in Russia dropped off to nothing.
Remember kids, don't download that show (or song)! You'll be burning in Hell before too long!
kb58 wrote: The flaw is that they're assuming that if the person didn't stream/torrent it, they'd have paid money for the real disk. No they wouldn't, in fact probably only about 1% would.
I have and will continue to call bullE36 M3 on this line of reasoning.
If there was a way to actually stop piracy and make people pay money for something that they want, 99% of the people are NOT just going to say "berkeley it". Some are, yes, but many actually are going to buy the disc. And with blu-rays being $7.88 at Wal*Mart, frankly, you're an shiny happy person if you don't.
Note: there is a way to make stop piracy, but since most copy protection schemes are mostly annoying to legitimate owners, we'll go ahead and call them non-functional.
MrJoshua wrote: Apple, Amazon, Netflix and the like have figured out how to win the piracy debate: deliver the product in a way that costs the consumer enough less effort that they are willing to pay a nominal fee. The groups suing everybody to maintain a status quo are busy trying to stop time while the smart ones have moved on and are taking over.
Now this, I agree with.
In reply to Dr. Hess:
That's what I've said all along, and why I don't feel bad for not paying for that stuff. Charge a reasonable price and I will pay it. Get greedy, and I won't.
I've been on this debate since the beginning. I might've used Limewire. I might've used Napster. I'm old.
The main reason for piracy back in the day was format change and DRM. Remember Sony installing a root kit on computers that played Sony published CD's? That was a form of DRM. Remember when tapes went away and CD's came on the market? The publishers said "You bought a tape. Now you get to buy the same music in a CD format." No one was going to do that with mp3's. So, piracy.
The benefit was that artists no longer needed a label to market them or publish their music. It all went from the artist to the retailer to the consumer. I'm sure a lot of music was stolen but it did help to popularize the artist.
Movies and TV? Same situation. I don't know a single person who likes watching live TV mainly due to commercials. It wouldn't be so bad if the commercials weren't 3x louder than the TV they're embedded in or the broadcast networks didn't stop a great show every 10 mins to run ads. This business model has killed the golden goose. Now, most people I know either use a DVR, an on demand service like Netflix, or pirate. Most I know are legit. They don't pirate.
Which brings me to my conclusion. I am completely legit. I buy mp3's from Amazon. I have a Netflix sub. I have an Amazon Prime sub. I use ondemand viewing from my cable provider. All of these ways to consume I'm ok with. I can listen to mp3's on any device. I can watch a TV show when I want without commercials, for the most part.
Piracy is a by product of holding on too tightly to a product. If you charge too much, make the experience too inconvenient, or overly control the use of the product you sell then there will be piracy in this day and age. The stranglehold of delivery and sometimes even production no longer exists.
Zomby Woof wrote: In reply to Dr. Hess: That's what I've said all along, and why I don't feel bad for not paying for that stuff. Charge a reasonable price and I will pay it. Get greedy, and I won't.
That's your decision to make. But then you don't get to steal it, just because you don't like what they're charging for it.
Not legally, but that's a call I make, because I think it's right.
We've had this discussion before. You know I don't believe in copyright laws. I thought the example you gave in that discussion was the epitome of greed, and why, exactly, I don't believe in them.
Apexcarver wrote: That type of therad has also been known to bring a cease and decist email to the forum owner for allowing them, so don't blame you at all. Now, if only they would release Initial D 5th stage here legally...
+1
Zomby Woof wrote: Not legally, but that's a call I make, because I think it's right.
So... you're off the hook for paying more than you want to for anything, then? Food, clothing, shelter? If it's too much or too hard to get the right way, it's OK to just steal it?
Zomby Woof wrote: In reply to Dr. Hess: That's what I've said all along, and why I don't feel bad for not paying for that stuff. Charge a reasonable price and I will pay it. Get greedy, and I won't.
Do you also steal other goods and services that you think are overpriced?
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