Possibilty of GM/Ford merger?

If there is nothing for the talking heads to talk about, they have to create something.

Just part of the usual cycle.

In reply to Kreb :

two CEO's ago.

The0retical said:

There's no way the DOJ would let that happen. Even in todays super merger laissez faire environment I can't see them allowing it.

Nor could I imagine the UAW being enthusiastic about the idea. 

This sounds like somebody who bought Ford shares too high and wants shareprice to drop to lessen the loss, and maybe vice-versa for GM stock.

In reply to llysgennad :

Totally not a pump and dump. 

Chevy - Ford merger. Which would survive? Mustang or Camaro? Mustamaro or Camstang? 

New mid-engine Corvette vs. Ford GT? Well those are 2 different price points so room for both.

wlkelley3 said:

Chevy - Ford merger. Which would survive? Mustang or Camaro? Mustamaro or Camstang? 

New mid-engine Corvette vs. Ford GT? Well those are 2 different price points so room for both.

I vote cumstang!

Dusterbd13-michael said:

wlkelley3 said:

Chevy - Ford merger. Which would survive? Mustang or Camaro? Mustamaro or Camstang? 

New mid-engine Corvette vs. Ford GT? Well those are 2 different price points so room for both.

I vote cumstang!

I’ve heard really good things about the new Shelby Corvette 500ZR1

Dusterbd13-michael said:

wlkelley3 said:

Chevy - Ford merger. Which would survive? Mustang or Camaro? Mustamaro or Camstang? 

New mid-engine Corvette vs. Ford GT? Well those are 2 different price points so room for both.

I vote cumstang!

Now your getting back to the Clinton era

Dusterbd13-michael said:

wlkelley3 said:

Chevy - Ford merger. Which would survive? Mustang or Camaro? Mustamaro or Camstang? 

New mid-engine Corvette vs. Ford GT? Well those are 2 different price points so room for both.

I vote cumstang!

Hey, that's catchy!  Do you work in marketing?

1988RedT2 said:

As a longtime Ford shareholder, I'd fight it tooth and nail.  Ford weathered the downturn in 2008 because they took steps that made sense and managed to stay solvent.  GM execs rode the gravy train into the ground and went crying to the government to bail their sorry asses out.  GM shareholders lost everything.

I'm no Ford fanboy, but don't pollute Ford integrity with GM sleaze.  

No, Ford was big and bloated and losing money, and got really lucky they sold off a bunch of brands (Aston Martin, Jag, Volvo) that gave them a lot of cash before the downturn began.  They still took a sizable government loan to get through it.

No Time said:

Dusterbd13-michael said:

wlkelley3 said:

Chevy - Ford merger. Which would survive? Mustang or Camaro? Mustamaro or Camstang? 

New mid-engine Corvette vs. Ford GT? Well those are 2 different price points so room for both.

I vote cumstang!

Now your getting back to the Clinton era

Well played, sir!

In reply to 1988RedT2 :

Yes! When GM and Chrysler wanted Taxpayer Bailout Money, Bush should for told them "Ok, you want help? Merge together first."

In reply to John Welsh :

"The girls all get prettier at closing time..." Mickey Gilley.

racerfink said:

1988RedT2 said:

As a longtime Ford shareholder, I'd fight it tooth and nail.  Ford weathered the downturn in 2008 because they took steps that made sense and managed to stay solvent.  GM execs rode the gravy train into the ground and went crying to the government to bail their sorry asses out.  GM shareholders lost everything.

I'm no Ford fanboy, but don't pollute Ford integrity with GM sleaze.  

No, Ford was big and bloated and losing money, and got really lucky they sold off a bunch of brands (Aston Martin, Jag, Volvo) that gave them a lot of cash before the downturn began.  They still took a sizable government loan to get through it.

That is exactly as I understand it.

racerfink said:

1988RedT2 said:

As a longtime Ford shareholder, I'd fight it tooth and nail.  Ford weathered the downturn in 2008 because they took steps that made sense and managed to stay solvent.  GM execs rode the gravy train into the ground and went crying to the government to bail their sorry asses out.  GM shareholders lost everything.

I'm no Ford fanboy, but don't pollute Ford integrity with GM sleaze.  

No, Ford was big and bloated and losing money, and got really lucky they sold off a bunch of brands (Aston Martin, Jag, Volvo) that gave them a lot of cash before the downturn began.  They still took a sizable government loan to get through it.

The sale of those companies paled in comparison with taking a loan against the Ford logo and the F150 brand.  That's where the real money came from.  And that was the focus of getting back into black in 2008.

Also, the loans that were taken were more about being able to give loans to customers- as the banks had tightened up like someone on some serious peanut butter.  Ford took loans, but didn't partake in the bailout.

That was the era where someone finally figured out that we need to compete and be like Toyota, and be able to sell cars that had real value to them instead of cutting costs to make money.  

Welp, if the new mexican tariffs stick, this might just happen out of necessity.  Car supplier / manufacturer stocks are getting hammered today.

alfadriver said:

racerfink said:

1988RedT2 said:

As a longtime Ford shareholder, I'd fight it tooth and nail.  Ford weathered the downturn in 2008 because they took steps that made sense and managed to stay solvent.  GM execs rode the gravy train into the ground and went crying to the government to bail their sorry asses out.  GM shareholders lost everything.

I'm no Ford fanboy, but don't pollute Ford integrity with GM sleaze.  

No, Ford was big and bloated and losing money, and got really lucky they sold off a bunch of brands (Aston Martin, Jag, Volvo) that gave them a lot of cash before the downturn began.  They still took a sizable government loan to get through it.

The sale of those companies paled in comparison with taking a loan against the Ford logo and the F150 brand.  That's where the real money came from.  And that was the focus of getting back into black in 2008.

Also, the loans that were taken were more about being able to give loans to customers- as the banks had tightened up like someone on some serious peanut butter.  Ford took loans, but didn't partake in the bailout.

It should be noted at this point that GM's big moneymaker is/was GMAC.  Selling vehicles was just a method for them to sell loans.

Knurled. said:

alfadriver said:

racerfink said:

1988RedT2 said:

As a longtime Ford shareholder, I'd fight it tooth and nail.  Ford weathered the downturn in 2008 because they took steps that made sense and managed to stay solvent.  GM execs rode the gravy train into the ground and went crying to the government to bail their sorry asses out.  GM shareholders lost everything.

I'm no Ford fanboy, but don't pollute Ford integrity with GM sleaze.  

No, Ford was big and bloated and losing money, and got really lucky they sold off a bunch of brands (Aston Martin, Jag, Volvo) that gave them a lot of cash before the downturn began.  They still took a sizable government loan to get through it.

The sale of those companies paled in comparison with taking a loan against the Ford logo and the F150 brand.  That's where the real money came from.  And that was the focus of getting back into black in 2008.

Also, the loans that were taken were more about being able to give loans to customers- as the banks had tightened up like someone on some serious peanut butter.  Ford took loans, but didn't partake in the bailout.

 

It should be noted at this point that GM's big moneymaker is/was GMAC.  Selling vehicles was just a method for them to sell loans.

I'm glad you brought that up!

https://economyandmarkets.com/markets/subprime-car-loans-are-back/