Predator 212 Sale - Today Only

Just in case anybody wanted a Predator 212 for... reasons.

I'm more of a Predator 670 fan... for reasons.

I was looking at snow blowers and the cheapest ones out there seem to have the 212cc engine. Are they any good?

I ended up buying a MTD product with a 208cc "Powermore" engine. I have no idea if Chinese engine X is better than Chinese engine Y.

100hp/l on the 670cc is pretty great!

It's interesting how frequent the oil change intervals are on these sorts of engines compared those in cars.

Almost like I need to get one, just in case.  

I'll put it next to the three sets of Toyota H4 headlights I bought.  

Snrub said:

I was looking at snow blowers and the cheapest ones out there seem to have the 212cc engine. Are they any good?

I ended up buying a MTD product with a 208cc "Powermore" engine. I have no idea if Chinese engine X is better than Chinese engine Y.

100hp/l on the 670cc is pretty great!

It's interesting how frequent the oil change intervals are on these sorts of engines compared those in cars.

wait people change oil in these little engines?  

hmmm, is this powerful enough for a yard kart go kart?  Have an old chassis with a half completed vertical shaft lawnmower motor, but this would be way easier.  

In reply to xflowgolf (Forum Supporter) :

I mean, most go-karts are 5hp, so 6.5hp is good.

Snrub said:

It's interesting how frequent the oil change intervals are on these sorts of engines compared those in cars.

Most of the small air cooled engines get their oil pretty hot under heavy load (and they don't have good temperature control in general like a water cooled engine does).  Plus most of the single cylinders don't have oil filters, plus quite a few of them are splash lubed.  Once you get to the Predator and Honda V-twins then you have an oil cooler, pressurized oiling, and an oil filter. 

Oil capacities are pretty small on all of these engines as well.  My Honda mower (190cc) holds just under a pint of oil total.  And the 420cc Briggs on my snowblower holds just over a quart. 

So small engines are often harder on oil than most automotive engines and on the engines with no oil filter, more frequent changes are needed just for contaminant removal. 

Datsun240ZGuy said:

Almost like I need to get one, just in case.  

I'll put it next to the three sets of Toyota H4 headlights I bought.  

This.  All.  Of.  This.

In reply to xflowgolf (Forum Supporter) :

Yup, in fact some are spec "clone" or "predator" class divisions, to keep the costs down, these are the only engines allowed with only a few small modifications tolerated. 

Datsun240ZGuy said:

Almost like I need to get one, just in case.  

I'll put it next to the three sets of Toyota H4 headlights I bought.  

Indy - Guy said:

Datsun240ZGuy said:

Almost like I need to get one, just in case.  

I'll put it next to the three sets of Toyota H4 headlights I bought.  

This.  All.  Of.  This.

johndej said:

In reply to xflowgolf (Forum Supporter) :

Yup, in fact some are spec "clone" or "predator" class divisions, to keep the costs down, these are the only engines allowed with only a few small modifications tolerated. 

HF actually sells this motor as a "race motor" with all the parts already on it. Think it was $300 when I saw in store. Race carb, better exhaust, better clutch, couple other go fast bits.

If I had an extra $90 I'd go pick one up. The one I put on my tiller is awesome, and would make a good power source for the cooler cart I want to build.

NickD said:

I'm more of a Predator 670 fan... for reasons.

The 670 is great and all, but it's 3x the power for 6x the normal price...10x the price today.

xflowgolf (Forum Supporter) said:

hmmm, is this powerful enough for a yard kart go kart? 

At this price, best not to risk it. Just go twin engine.

Indy - Guy said:

Indy - Guy said:

Datsun240ZGuy said:

Almost like I need to get one, just in case.  

I'll put it next to the three sets of Toyota H4 headlights I bought.  

This.  All.  Of.  This.

Did you say three?

My lawn tractor has a 547cc 1-cyl Powermore engine. It takes 1.6qt of oil and has a filter. The 1.6l engines in my car (FiST) and my wife's car (Accent) is 3.6/3.7l. I googled the 1.0l Ford Ecoboost and it takes 4.6l!

I couldn't convince myself I needed to stop for a motor yesterday, but I did convince my wife to stop the day before when winches were 40% off. Got a small one for the trailer for pretty short money. 

They are sweet little motors. The standard recipe is a new cheapo carb of amazon that has an air screw(the air screws on the stock carbs are usually broke off or unusable because of emissions), a larger main jet, higher flow air filter and exhaust. Take the governor off if you want. 

I did this combo on a mini bike. It was absolutely not suitable for kids. I was probably 230lbs at the time and it would try to kill me about every time i rode it. Wheelies off the start and capable of 40-50+mph. 
 

On a go kart it would be great. 
 

What's the hot (read cheap) ticket for a centrifugal clutch to adapt this engine to a gokart or minibike?

Torque converter

https://a.co/d/ia1PiIm

In reply to TJL (Forum Supporter) :

Interesting.  

Technology has really advanced since I rode a mini bike back in the '80s

Yup. Crazy cheap for what it is. This CVT stile gives you smoother takeoffs, a little gearing advantage and lets you swap different sprockets on for different chains and adjusting gearing.  I dont waste any time on the old basic metal clutches.  
 

These are copy's of the comet series 30 torque converters. 

I did the standard carb, jet, governor delete and air filter on this mini bike with a torque converter.  It was fast but kinda hit a wall at 30mph. I had the stock muffler on it to keep it quiet. When i went to sell it i got tired of explaining to people that it just needed an exhaust to be really fast, so i grabbed the cheapest straight pipe on amazon and HOLY CRAP did it wake the thing up.  no more wall at 30mph, improved power across the whole rpm range. I sold it right after that and im sure the motor was blown up quickly. With the stock muffler it really didnt rev past 3600rpm where the gov would have stopped it.  After the exhaust, with no governor it would easily rev into broken rod territory.

Is there a website / blog / youtube that walks you thru the simple mods to wake it up  or fix the small bugs?

and  how quiet is it at idle ,  say compared to a Honda generator ?

Thanks