Project Civic Si: Running the High Banks at Daytona

The second track outing with our 2019 Honda Civic Si was punctuated by more firsts:

• The first-ever SCCA Track Night in America Driven by Tire Rack at the world-famous Daytona International Speedway.
• The first TNiA experience for Nancy, our events manager.
• And, sadly, our first ever WTF moment with the car. Maybe we should start with that one since it’s …

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Question: Does it ever NOT rain at Daytona ????

300zxfreak said:

Question: Does it ever NOT rain at Daytona ????

We once ran a 14 hour race there with no rain....once. 

8th gen Si = could disable VSA even if the car didn't detect TPMS

9th gen Si = you couldn't disable the VSA unless the TPMS was reporting proper tire psi at all 4 corners ( I bought a second set of wheels and tires with programmable TPMS sensors to mimmick the ones from the factory to get around this for track days)

10th gen Si = the VSA foot dance....

The only complaint I had about the entire night is that now...I'm addicted. I brought out the #71 NASCAR Charger. 

Thanks to all the ones that had a hand in setting up some an awesome track night! I have been around a lot of race car drivers in my lifetime and I have never seen a group that could put away the egos like they did at TNIA! Everyone was super helpful. 

You summed it all up right here:

"Know what? We still had fun–like, a lot of fun. We chatted. We shared stories. We laughed. We might have grabbed more than one Twizzler"

300zxfreak said:

Question: Does it ever NOT rain at Daytona ????

Not raining yet but it's only 2:21.

And sorry, Vegas Nick, for getting you addicted. The car looked awesome. You passed me heading home, too--you got the left arrow onto ISB while I was waiting to go straight. Next event, please grab me so I can put a face with the handle. 

I thought Civic Sis were known for the lack of driver nannies. I guess that was 10+ years ago, though.

That trick to disable the VSA reminds me of Contra on Nintendo. What happened to holding down a damn button?!

Glad you had fun despite of it.

I think everything now has nannies. At least these can be turned off. A few years back--like 10 or more, easily--a friend of ours bought a new car because, on paper, it was the one to have for national-level Solo. Like, this was the ringer unicorn.

Guess what happened? After taking delivery, he found that there was no way to turn off all the assists. So he sold the car and moved onto the next one. (Technically, I guess, he could have pulled a fuse, but I believe that's not SCCA approved.)

So, yeah, no complaints here. At the FIRM, I should add, the car totally behaved, even with the VSA turned on. 

Nannies are for children, not for cars...

Then again I've also heard that experience is what you get when you don't get what you were expecting haha. I can vouch for that, I know a lot of things to NOT do behind the wheel, for better and worse. TNIA looks like fun, I'll have to try to make it to one sometime, but any track day is an out-of-state excursion for me, unfortunately.

In reply to David S. Wallens :

Absolutely! I live just down the road in Port Orange. :)

See you at the FIRM later this month? I just signed up. 

Is the dance the same for the Type R?

jwr914 said:

Is the dance the same for the Type R?

I believe so, but there's more talk here.

Also, closed course, professional driver, and all that stuff. 

David S. Wallens said:

I think everything now has nannies. At least these can be turned off. A few years back--like 10 or more, easily--a friend of ours bought a new car because, on paper, it was the one to have for national-level Solo. Like, this was the ringer unicorn.

Guess what happened? After taking delivery, he found that there was no way to turn off all the assists. So he sold the car and moved onto the next one. (Technically, I guess, he could have pulled a fuse, but I believe that's not SCCA approved.)

Just curious, and for future reference, what was said car?

David S. Wallens said:

 (Technically, I guess, he could have pulled a fuse, but I believe that's not SCCA approved.)

 

Or, pull the fuse, apply 30 amps to fuse, put blown fuse back in fuse block.

David S. Wallens said:

jwr914 said:

Is the dance the same for the Type R?

I believe so, but there's more talk here.

Also, closed course, professional driver, and all that stuff. 

In that thread:

"be sure the moon is aligned with mars before you do the brake procedure if you want to unlock the Ultra Instinct R mode"

lol

At Barber last time I was there - some drivers where having a fight with a Mercedes and the autobrake/collision avoidance engaging - they were laughing at it in hindsight, but it sounded a bit sketchy...). It threw out the anchor when they were getting ready to pass someone - fortunately novice group so it was pretty wide birth all around. I think they got it disabled after calling Mercedes. I'm suspecting that this will be seeing this more and more with non-track oriented cars.

NickD said:

David S. Wallens said:

I think everything now has nannies. At least these can be turned off. A few years back--like 10 or more, easily--a friend of ours bought a new car because, on paper, it was the one to have for national-level Solo. Like, this was the ringer unicorn.

Guess what happened? After taking delivery, he found that there was no way to turn off all the assists. So he sold the car and moved onto the next one. (Technically, I guess, he could have pulled a fuse, but I believe that's not SCCA approved.)

Just curious, and for future reference, what was said car?

I know of one person that happened to with a G35 sedan, but I don't know if that's what David was referring to.

NickD said:

David S. Wallens said:

I think everything now has nannies. At least these can be turned off. A few years back--like 10 or more, easily--a friend of ours bought a new car because, on paper, it was the one to have for national-level Solo. Like, this was the ringer unicorn.

Guess what happened? After taking delivery, he found that there was no way to turn off all the assists. So he sold the car and moved onto the next one. (Technically, I guess, he could have pulled a fuse, but I believe that's not SCCA approved.)

Just curious, and for future reference, what was said car?

Yes, hoping for an answer to that

jstein77 said:

NickD said:

David S. Wallens said:

I think everything now has nannies. At least these can be turned off. A few years back--like 10 or more, easily--a friend of ours bought a new car because, on paper, it was the one to have for national-level Solo. Like, this was the ringer unicorn.

Guess what happened? After taking delivery, he found that there was no way to turn off all the assists. So he sold the car and moved onto the next one. (Technically, I guess, he could have pulled a fuse, but I believe that's not SCCA approved.)

Just curious, and for future reference, what was said car?

I know of one person that happened to with a G35 sedan, but I don't know if that's what David was referring to.

I think traction control was undefeatable on Lexus IS300s as well. But I can't see IS300s and G35 sedans being national-level Solo cars.

Ford makes it easy on the FiST,  just hold the button for a few seconds.

NickD said:

David S. Wallens said:

I think everything now has nannies. At least these can be turned off. A few years back--like 10 or more, easily--a friend of ours bought a new car because, on paper, it was the one to have for national-level Solo. Like, this was the ringer unicorn.

Guess what happened? After taking delivery, he found that there was no way to turn off all the assists. So he sold the car and moved onto the next one. (Technically, I guess, he could have pulled a fuse, but I believe that's not SCCA approved.)

Just curious, and for future reference, what was said car?

Volkswagen GTI? that one was notorious for not having full OFF on traction control for the mk5/mk6 2008.5-2011 models, though there is a way around it with either the abs fuse or Vagcom, all not legal  for SCCA sadly. 2012s allowed it I guess after everyone ragged on them for their stupid decision

Floating Doc said:

NickD said:

David S. Wallens said:

I think everything now has nannies. At least these can be turned off. A few years back--like 10 or more, easily--a friend of ours bought a new car because, on paper, it was the one to have for national-level Solo. Like, this was the ringer unicorn.

Guess what happened? After taking delivery, he found that there was no way to turn off all the assists. So he sold the car and moved onto the next one. (Technically, I guess, he could have pulled a fuse, but I believe that's not SCCA approved.)

Just curious, and for future reference, what was said car?

Yes, hoping for an answer to that

Yeah, also a G35 sedan. This was years ago, so don't quote me on the particulars.