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irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
9/28/14 8:04 p.m.

EDIT: 2013, not 2014.

So as a former moderator on Maxima.org forum and someone who has driven, raced, and worked on Maximas for many years I was fairly excited when I got to my car rental place in Florida on Thursday and found out my rental was a 2014 Maxima (yeah AAA free double-upgrade).

As I always do with rental cars, I went right to the nearest gas station and put a few extra psi in the tires (34 all around) since I wanted to push the car a bit when I had time. Tires were near full-tread and in good shape. Car had about 15k miles on it.

Obviously caveat this by saying that it was a rental car, so was a fairly "base" model (as base as a Maxima gets, with tons of power stuff, sunroof, etc etc), but the main difference seems to be just the seats...had 18" wheels but no GPS and no Bose.

I had a chance to drive it over 4 days on highways, slow-speed roads out to the island, and found some curvies to play on as well. So here are my impressions:

Interior: So this had the cloth seats. They were very comfortable. But not in "a good way" so to say. The material and (complete lack of) bolstering reminded me of my grandfather's 1985 Oldsmobile. Even moderate cornering required bolstering with my left foot or knee on the center console to stay in the seat (I'm 6'0, 175). They made the stock seats in my 2000 Maxima feel like Recaros in comparison, and those were pretty lame as well. They were 8-way power adjustable so that was nice. Like I said, they were comfy for highway cruising, but dreadful for even moderately sporty driving. Also they were so wide they must be designed for NFL offensive linemen or something. I'm pretty average-sized and I don't think my ass even touched the bolsters on either side, lol.

The rest of the interior was markedly dated in its appearance. The dash is soft-touch, but there is literally no style on the inside of this car. I feel like it's something GM would have designed in the 80s, but with nicer materials and buttons. There was nothing about the interior that made me say "well, that's a nice touch." And I drive a WRX, so I have pretty damn low standards for interior.

The multi-function center screen and HVAC controls worked fine but the screen graphics were, again, very dated in their appearance (Amber block numbers). Steering wheel felt nice with leather wrap, but I HATED the radio and cruise control buttons. They have on either spoke these up-down toggle switch things and when making tight turns in parking lots my hand constantly hit these, thus changing the radio station repeatedly, lol.

Steering: Dreadful. Not sure if these are electric or hydraulic, but steering was pretty numb and heavier than it should be, and wasn't very linear in my opinion. On a car with this low miles, I can't imagine anything is wrong with it. No sign of mis-alignment wear on the tires. I didn't enjoy turns as there wasn't much feel at all.

Drivetrain: I've disliked CVT before, but now I really dislike it. Somehow the CVT on this car made the powerful VQ35 (290hp) feel like about 190 hp. Car felt torquey if you really laid on it from a stoplight, but then you had to wait a few seconds for the one-tire-fire to hook up. I played with the manual "shift" as well, which frankly made it even less fun. The car feels substantially slower and less peppy than VQ30 and VQ35 Maximas from previous generations. The complete lack of engine nose added to the feeling of the car just simply not being very fast, even if, on paper, it is quite quick. It blows my mind that Nissan re-introduced the 7th generation Maxima as the reincarnation of "4DSC" (4-door-sportscar) when this drivetrain has no inkling of sportiness to it at all. To boot, the VQ35 in this car isn't the least bit smooth, which is one of the things I've always loved about VQ-series engines. It feels like it's working hard all the time, even under moderate acceleration.

Brakes were pretty good. Nothing special, but no complaints either.

Handling was the biggest disappointment. With 18" wheels and fairly low-profile tires up a few psi from the stock rating, I expected more. The car wallows like a boat and feels gigantic in the corners. I honestly almost ran off onto a shoulder exiting a corner as it pushed right through, and I wasn't pushing it all that hard (I didn't think). IIRC it had some Bridgestone tires on it (I assume the stock ones) and they were lousy, and squealy, and had little grip. But aside from that the suspension wallowed all over the place in hard turns, even on smooth roads. The Chevy Sonic I rented last month felt about 10x as sporty on its 14" wheels and skinny tires. This Maxima may actually rate as one of the least enjoyable suspensions on any car I've ever driven in stock form. My wife's 2005 Sequoia feels sharper on turn-in and handling response (seriously).

Suspension was fine in terms of comfort, no complaints there. Again though, far cushier and mushier than even the base-level 4th, 5th, and 6th gens I've driven in the past.

What else.....trunk is absolutely huge, though the trunk remote open switch is tough to find in the dark if you don't already know where it is (as are the side-mirror adjustment buttons). Legroom in back is great, even with the front seats all the way back. Legroom up front is good, but I found my knee was pretty sore from hitting the center console stack, which is really wide (same complaint I have on the 1st-generation Mazda3, FWIW).

Sightlines are pretty good, no big blind spots and a lot of glass. Even with the high waistline, you can get the seat high enough to comfortably put your elbow on the windowsill and still not have your head in the roof.

Exterior is an opinion matter, but I think they look reasonably good (though oddly the new Altima looks similar, but better in my opinion). The gas cap cover (which is push-to-open and not remote) did not sit very flush and popped open a few times on the road for no apparent reason. The front bumper cover on this white car was yellowing a bit, so not sure what's going on there. No evidence of any accident damage, so who knows.

Power windows are really fast, which is nice since my WRX windows are slow as hell :)

Headlights were decent, and the gauge lighting is somewhat dated-looking, but still nice.

So, that's all I can think of at the moment. Overall, I put a few hundred miles on the car and it was entirely unremarkable, and made me kind of wish they had just given me a Ford Focus instead of double-upgrading me. It was a white-bread appliance and nothing more, which is highly disappointing to me, as I had some expectation that Nissan had actually put some sporty back into the Maxima after the 6th gen experiment. So it makes me kind of sad, as someone who really used to love Maximas. But now I know why every single time I see one of these locally it's a 50-something woman driving it. This car feels like my mother would love to drive it. And coincidentally, my parents were down there as well (they had a rental Sentra), and mom DID drive the Maxima a few miles home after a wedding reception (I stayed to drink more, lol), and she said "it's nice, but..." and seemed to infer that she likes her 2011 Sonata better..

I've driven their mid-level Sonata (did a review on it here a couple years ago), with the 4cyl non-turbo. That car is WAAAAAAY more fun than this Maxima was. Even the Sonata's automatic tranny is better than the Maxima's CVT.

In summary: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH NISSAN THESE DAYS?????? Please, Nissan, just put the Maxima out of its Misery, since the Altima is already pretty much the same car anyhow and nicer looking to boot. The Maxima doesn't deserve to be turned into a mushy appliance........

I didn't even bother taking any pics of the car, but it looked exactly like this, except with differnt (and better-looking) wheels

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
9/28/14 8:11 p.m.

Buddy just bought a Versa.

It had 4 rust spots on it. Brand new. Showroom floor.

Dealer says this is normal.

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
9/28/14 8:17 p.m.

I'll note that I didn't seen any major things on it that looked to be "bad quality." Aside from the fuel tank issue and the front bumper, the paint was in great condition, seams and gaps were clean and pretty small, and fit and finish was good. Everything in the interior had a good solid/quality feel to it, but it was just all really boring and dated. The car overall felt solid, doors closed with a solid thunk (not like my paper-mache doors on the WRX).

My complaint with this one wasn't quality-related at all. It was everything else.

Vigo
Vigo PowerDork
9/28/14 8:26 p.m.

As a semi-maxima-enthusiast myself (i have a login over on maxima.org but havent been in many years) i also find the last 2 generations depressing.

Honestly, it's not as bad to me as the 6th gen car is because it's not freakin HIDEOUS, but it's still worse in a couple ways.

I think the main thing that kills the current ( /alreadyold ) Maxima is the lack of a sporty transmission option. If you could still get these things with a 6spd manual it would be pretty hard to say they were entirely unappealing, even if they still didnt handle great.

It is sad to say but i feel like the last 'good' Maxima was the Altima SE-R. There is an implied facepalm in that statement.

I think the thing that killed the Maxima was the launch of the g35 sedan. It kind of stole the Maxima's schtick, took it to Infiniti, made it RWD, and left the thing that was actually still called Maxima to rot.

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
9/28/14 8:28 p.m.

^^yup, totally agree.

And no matter what you do in terms of mods to settle the handling aspect, you're still stuck with the CVT which kills any kind of enjoyment IMO.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UltraDork
9/28/14 8:29 p.m.
irish44j wrote: The multi-function center screen and HVAC controls worked fine

Was the HVAC controlled by the center screen? If so, berkeley that.

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
9/28/14 8:32 p.m.
ProDarwin wrote:
irish44j wrote: The multi-function center screen and HVAC controls worked fine
Was the HVAC controlled by the center screen? If so, berkeley that.

No, not touch-screen. The radio had controls down below, and the HVAC stuff was buttons/knobs on a kind of reclined platform in front of the screen. The screen just shows what's going on. You could put a double-DIN aftermarket stereo where the stock stereo controls are.

Here's what it looks like (except with Navi)

I really felt like the entire dash would be more appropriate in a pickup truck or something, not in a "luxury sports sedan." It was truly bleh....

bluesideup
bluesideup Reader
9/28/14 8:32 p.m.

Where the berkeley is the trunk release in those things? I picked one at the airport as a rental last month and got out when I couldn't find the trunk release within 5 minutes of searching. Took a Cruze instead.

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
9/28/14 8:36 p.m.
bluesideup wrote: Where the berkeley is the trunk release in those things? I picked one at the airport as a rental last month and got out when I couldn't find the trunk release within 5 minutes of searching. Took a Cruze instead.

it's a little tiny tab-shaped toggle button down to the left of the steering wheel next to the mirror controls. Took me forever to find it. I was literally on my knees next to the driver's door looking for it. Even when I looked right at it didn't realize that's what it was since the markings were kind of odd. It's an electric release, not a cable-pull. Works fine once you know where it is, but I prefer a floor-mounted one with a cable pull. Not sure why a trunk release needs to be fancy.

you can see it here in the lower left gap in the steering wheel

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
9/28/14 8:41 p.m.

That also brings me to another pet-peeve: Keyless ignition/push-button start. Yes, it works fine. Whatever. On day 3 I stopped at a 7-11 to grab a soda (left the windows down, since it was the only car there and I was going to be in and out). After buying the soda, I come out, reach in my pocket, and ....."where the hell is the key fob??"

Oh, that's right....still sitting in the cupholder since I didn't need to touch it to turn off the car.

I really don't know what is wrong with putting a damn key in the ignition and turning it. It's not that hard.

Also the Maxima actually has a little digital display showing "key battery" strength. On this 15k mile car it was shown as being at about 2/3rds full battery. First, having that in the middle of the dash display all the time was annoying. Second, what the hell do you do if you are out driving and your fob goes dead? You can't start (or unlock) the car!?

ProDarwin
ProDarwin UltraDork
9/28/14 10:09 p.m.
irish44j wrote: After buying the soda, I come out, reach in my pocket, and ....."where the hell is the key fob??"

I never even have feel around for rental keys. I wear pretty loose clothing and I can barely even fit them in my pocket. Because there are 2 GIGANTIC fobs linked together with steel aircraft cable. WTF. I have no clue why they do this - just in case 1 goes dead?

plance1
plance1 SuperDork
9/28/14 10:32 p.m.

I agree with Irish, I used to work at Enterprise Rental Car and I was always amused at these stupid cars with the Start/Stop button. This is even marketed as a "feature" in advertisements. Ferrari used it, what about 20 years ago, so other manufacturers copied it and sold it to the all the sheepel out there.

Datsun310Guy
Datsun310Guy PowerDork
9/28/14 11:03 p.m.

In reply to ProDarwin:

I've been known to travel with wire cutters in my luggage and then tell the guy upon return the cable "broke". I've had a lot of 10 hour Monday to Friday travel days and I hated those giant key collections. Don't forget the big plastic rental car company ID tag too.

Klayfish
Klayfish UltraDork
9/29/14 7:18 a.m.
Vigo wrote: I think the thing that killed the Maxima was the launch of the g35 sedan. It kind of stole the Maxima's schtick, took it to Infiniti, made it RWD, and left the thing that was actually still called Maxima to rot.

I think this sums it up perfectly for the Maxima. Years ago, it was Nissans "4 door sports car", as they so heavily marketed it to be. But now that the G35 is here, and square in the same price point the Maxima is, it has taken over that moniker. The Maxima is morphing more into a stylish Avalon competitor. That's not a bad thing if that's what you're looking for, but it's not performance oriented like it once was. When I was a kid, a neigbhors parents had an '83 Datsun Maxima...that was a cool car.

As for the key fob/push button start, I used to think it was stupid when I first experienced it. But after having had several cars with it, I've actually grown to like it. Yes, it's easy to put a key in and twist, but pushing a button ain't bad. I have left the key fob in the car by accident a few times, but that's my own stupid fault.

Mr_Clutch42
Mr_Clutch42 Dork
9/29/14 7:25 a.m.

The Maxima's exterior looks much more exciting than it drives.

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand UberDork
9/29/14 8:09 a.m.

I end up in rental cars a LOT for work and our company has a contract with National. They seem to have a lot of Maximas and Altimas in their fleet, and I avoid both always. While I don't need any sportiness for the rental car driving I do, the transmissions alone in those cars seal their fate for me. They are HORRIBLE to drive. I can't imagine having to drive that everyday. I'd much rather have an econobox with a vanilla automatic.

trucke
trucke HalfDork
9/29/14 9:34 a.m.
irish44j wrote:
bluesideup wrote: Where the berkeley is the trunk release in those things? I picked one at the airport as a rental last month and got out when I couldn't find the trunk release within 5 minutes of searching. Took a Cruze instead.
it's a little tiny tab-shaped toggle button down to the left of the steering wheel next to the mirror controls. Took me forever to find it. I was literally on my knees next to the driver's door looking for it. Even when I looked right at it didn't realize that's what it was since the markings were kind of odd. It's an electric release, not a cable-pull. Works fine once you know where it is, but I prefer a floor-mounted one with a cable pull. Not sure why a trunk release needs to be fancy. you can see it here in the lower left gap in the steering wheel

Trunk release is in the same place as my '95 Buick LeSabre. Same electric release. Sounds like Nissan has hit its target market.

And NO! I'm not the target market for a Maxima. Just have a cheap DD.

jstein77
jstein77 SuperDork
9/29/14 10:06 a.m.
Klayfish wrote: ..But now that the G35 is here...

Actually, its not. It's been replaced by the Q50.

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand UberDork
9/30/14 7:44 a.m.

irish44j, would you PM me? I have some Maxima questions I would love your help with. I tried to PM you but got an email failure from Yahoo upon doing so.

JacktheRiffer
JacktheRiffer Reader
9/30/14 8:27 a.m.

Sad to see that nissan cant make exciting cars like they used to. Hopefully they figure it out again

Driven5
Driven5 HalfDork
9/30/14 8:44 a.m.

The first car I bought was a Nissan Sentra and the Nissan enthusiast community was what got me interested in autox. Their 'Driven' advertising slogan was even a part of my screen name decision...Then there was a 'Shift' away from offering sedans with decent driving dynamics, and now there is absolutely no remaining 'Innovation that excites' me about anything in their 4-door line up.

bigdaddylee82
bigdaddylee82 Dork
9/30/14 8:44 a.m.
irish44j wrote: what the hell do you do if you are out driving and your fob goes dead? You can't start (or unlock) the car!?

There's a physical "real" metal key that slides out of the fob. That'll get you in the door. On the Maximas you physically put the key fob to the push button start (physically pushing the button with the fob works) if the fob's battery is dead. On a lot of the other models, Altimas, Muranos, etc. there's actually a slot in the dash that you insert the entire key fob into, to start the car if the fob's battery is dead. On the first year Murano with push button ('09 I think) you had to insert the key fob into said slot regardless, or you couldn't start the car. Rouges, and maybe Versas (if equipped) have a traditional spot in the steering column where you can insert the physical key and twist to start the vehicle.

I was a Nissan Service Writer for a few years, it was a daily occurrence, often a few times a day to have to track down a customer who swore they left their keys in their car, but were really in their pocket/purse. If the customer left the car running, the tech could have the car in their bay before he realized there wasn't a key. If the SW was doing their job and actually tagging keys instead of just throwing the tag on the dash though, that wouldn't happen, but I digress.

There's only 2 styles of button batteries that I recall across the entire line up of push button start fobs. We replaced the batteries as SOP if the indicator showed the battery was low. No charge to the customer, some dealers do charge for them though.

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SilverFleet
SilverFleet SuperDork
9/30/14 9:13 a.m.

This feels like Deja Vu. Earlier this year I found myself in Florida and behind the wheel of a rented white 2013 Nissan Maxima. I went in with low expectations, but I actually liked it more than I thought I would, but still...

Maybe it's because I'm used to my slow Mazda now, but I felt the Maxima had good power. The CVT is a PITA though. To get the car to move, you have to hammer it, and that results in terrible gas mileage. When you needed it to get up and go, especially on the highway, it went. In fact, I'd go as far as to say it was a great highway bomber.

The interior reminded me of a 1990's Pontiac. The dash radio pod stuck out like a tumor, there were random ovoid shapes all over the place, and the seats were more like cloth loungers than sport seats fitting of a "4-Door Sports Car". I mean, they were comfortable, but sporty they were not.

It did have heavy steering and I found the feel alright, but not really engaging. The brakes were ok. Mine had a slight vibration, but that was to be expected with a rental.

Biggest disappointment was the gas mileage. We averaged 20-21mpg. I thought that CVT-equipped cars were supposed to help with mileage? It was a pig.

Overall, the car can best be compared to a Buick and not a proper sports sedan. The only car it really competes with is the Altima, which makes no sense. Why do they even make this car anymore?

mtn
mtn UltimaDork
9/30/14 10:01 a.m.

How were the headrests? The common complaint I've had in every rental car I've been in recently has been that the headrest forces your head so far forward that it creates neck and back pain after about 20 minutes. Cars in question have been a 2012 Ford Fusion (was able to turn the headrest around to fix the problem), 2013 Malibu or Impala, 2014 Kia SUV, and 2015 Hyundai Sonata. Sonata was by far the worst, on the longest drive, and the one that was impossible to reverse the headrest.

Harvey
Harvey GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/30/14 10:03 a.m.

I love keyless entry and push button start. I've gotten so used to it on my Focus ST. I never take the key out of my pocket unless I'm at home. The car will lock and alarm with a touch on the outside sensor and then unlock when I go to pull on the handle. Get in, press button and go.

Now I have a problem where I get into my other cars and if they are already open I forget to take the key out of my pocket, heck sometimes I will open the car with the fob and put it back into my pocket forgetting that I need the key.

As for the Maxima. It's a different car now. As others have noted they have other cars that satisfy the niche it used to occupy either on the Nissan side or on the Infiniti side.

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