Whelp........... We've lived here 14 years - and - countless cars (I have 6 now - and - work from home. Ha....) - and this is a first.
Take a look at the photo's. Not sure this will buff out. :)
What do you think? Just take my time - match them up - and solder/splice them? A new harness would be a huge PITA - I think.
Arrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................
Being so close to the connector might make splicing hard. Swing by the junkyard and see if you can cut sections out of a harness, might be easier than getting the whole thing.
ShawnG
MegaDork
8/4/24 3:18 p.m.
Cut and splice the straight bits. See the GM store or Rockauto for a pigtail to replace the connector.
Buy a skinny cat.
kb58
UltraDork
8/4/24 3:21 p.m.
Retired EE here. Normally I'd say do as you suggested, stripping back the wires, adding shrink sleeving, solder, and shrink. As noted however, much of the damage is too close to connectors. I think I'd try the "easy button" first and find out availability and cost of a used engine harness. If there's no time or money on-hand for that, a ghetto solution would be to solder the broken ones, separate them all so they're not touching, then put enough epoxy over them to both seal the damage, prevent vibration, and keep them from touching. I'm not proud, but neither is it my car...
When you fix this, you might consider wrapping wiring with rodent repellant tape. I think Toyota sells it.
In my time of sorrow I didn't really think of any of these - including the skinny cat. :)
Looking into everything suggested. Just getting a pigtail connector and/or junkyard cutout would help with the splicing - that's for sure. I was initially thinking I'd have to re-pin the whole connector with replacement wire.
Initial look shows entire harnesses on ebay for $195-$295 - but - not sure what level of PITA it would be to replace it all - along with getting an exact match (I know - I know - "every 2007 Grand Marquis and/or Crown Vic harness should work as they're all the same". But - are they?
You may have noticed some burn marks on the wires. I was hoping (ha ha ha ha) that I'd find some dead rodent (that fried itself) I could mount on a stick to warn others not to do this - BUT - instead I fear it was from my excessive cranking of the car (I'm not that bright - I kept trying to start it) with the exposed wires. Fingers crossed I didn't screw up more stuff from that.
OK - off to research and procure the stuff needed to remedy this.
Thank you (!!!!) for providing multiple options.
PS. I did find some uber expensive Honda branded "rodent tape" during my search for answers. https://www.collegehillshonda.com/product/4019-2317.html - Only posting as it's interesting they produce it.
In reply to M2Pilot :
Ha - we posted at the same time. Yeah - I found the Honda branded tape - and - it's likely cheaper than feeding a cat. I guess I'm hoping it won't happen again for another 14 years. LOL.
The critters must be getting worked up about something. A couple of days I was just routinely checking the oil on my 2023 Kona N. Opened the hood to find this.......in my case it was a squirrel making a nest out of the hood insulation.. Nothing else was touched. Glad I found out about when I did.
ddavidv
UltimaDork
8/5/24 7:05 a.m.
We get squirrel damage around here a lot. And occasionally rabbit.
Seems like a car that would be in the U-Pull-It these days. Just hack out sections you need if the entire harness is too daunting. It's how I fixed a few of the bad connectors in my F150. Fortunately, these older cars aren't as fussy about splicing in new pigtails and doing a bit of soldering like the modern junk.
I agree. Hopefully, the U-Pull-It will let you take part of the harness if that is all you want.
As for the rodents, I found a tip here several years ago that seems to work: a drop or two of peppermint oil on a cotton ball, placed in two or three spots in the vehicle and replenished every few weeks. Apparently the peppermint smell confuses and/or repels mice and rats, which navigate using scent.
Ha - and you thought I was just going to let this thread die.....
This arrived:
Power and engine harnesses... Harni? What's the plural of harness? IDK...
What I do know is I'm going to replace them both - how difficult could it be? I mean - I can change oil.....
Stay tuned....
Why do they always chew them up right next to a connector?
Man, I imagine the scope and scale of replacing the entire harness to be on a level of 10x higher than just repairing the damaged sections.
Get a packet of naked crimp butt connectors without the big heavy plastic insulation, some pre-cut shrink sleeving, and a decent crimper and go to town.
I will crimp each side twice - once with the insulated part that pokes in there, then turn it 90* and hit it with the non-insulated part. Makes a beautiful, super strong crimp
Pete. (l33t FS) said:
Why do they always chew them up right next to a connector?
Because they don't like the taste of the split loom?.
In reply to AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) :
I thought it was just because they were shiny happy people
There wasn't split loom in the main harness under the rear seat of my Volvo where something found the wiring tasty. Right at the connector.
also why does a car that networks literally everything and has a door module in every door have discrete wires for the door-open switches that go to the rear electrics module in the TRUNK. Everything else down to the illumination in the different switches and HVAC and everything gets turned on or off from network data, why discrete wires when everything else is a CAN module, wtf volvo
In reply to jfryjfry :
I understand - I do. Here's what I'm thinking: I only looked at that damage in the photo's above for like - 18 seconds - before I was PO'd and shut the hood. My fear is there are other areas where the critter snacked. I'll take a closer look then decide. Also, I'm not sure if that engine harness (the power harness is easy) is all that difficult if all connections are around the "top" of the engine.... IDK....
I say all of that to say: you are probably right in the crimping being fastest if that harness is truly a PITA and if there is no other damage.
More to come.... I do miss driving that car....
As if that car wasn't enough - I do live in NC and we did get hit (nowhere near as hard as the Western NC folks).
Here's a game for everybody - where is my Silverado in this pic!!! :)
While the truck took a beating - once the tree was removed - apart from the massive dents - it started up and ran/runs just fine. 300k mile Silverado for the win! I was thinking about getting rid of it before this - but - it's will to live is pretty inspirational. Can't get rid of it now.
RRRATS!
The Honda anti-rodent tape actually seems to be the cheapest anti-rodent tape out there, it might be worthwhile to put it over the most vulnerable spots. There's a decent chance they'll be back when the buffet is re-stocked.
OK - update time. I just noticed it's been 3 months since the wires were chewed which really seems about right based on my work speed......
So.... @jfryfjry really hooked me up with advice and how to fix this. Can't thank you enough!
Based on his advice - I used this stuff:
Butt connectors (still makes me giggle....) - Made is USA crimping pliers - heat shrink. Yeah - that's all you need (well - and the harness I bought).
I took a good hard look around the engine bay - nothing else seems chewed up - so - I proceeded to cut away.
The (not final) results:
Did that work - didn't do the final heat shrink and/or loom covering as I wanted to test it out first.
Fired off first time - I've put about 45 miles on it. Everything seems to work just fine.
Why - why did I wait 3 months? No idea. Everything took me about 2 hours - and - if I had to do it again - probably 30 min....
THANK YOU @jfryjfry!!!!
Amazon delivers the new loom today - I'll get it all wrapped up and - done.
Whew..... 3 months..... I just laugh at myself.
The end. (I hope.....)
PS. Brett - see your Camaro in the background?? :)
So glad it worked out - things like that are instantly daunting but once you start tearing in, they're not too bad. You kind of find a zen and when you make those pretty crimps..... ahhhh *chef's kiss*