I don't think the video of the one on fire helps matters much either (although that likely had more to do with the people working on it than the car).
I don't think the video of the one on fire helps matters much either (although that likely had more to do with the people working on it than the car).
alfadriver wrote:JFX001 wrote:As a relative comparison, 22,269 Ford Fusions were sold. In December. Compared to what the genesis is regularly compared to- 73,716 Mustangs were sold in 2010. If you ask me, either 1) the car isn't that good for the typical consumer, or 2) Hyundai isn't doing a very good job marketing the car. And it seems like a darned good car.alfadriver wrote: low sales numbers?As of the end of 10/10, sales of the Genesis were 23,964...with 2,375 being sold that month.With a better than average Nov-Dec, they might have topped 29K for the year.
Keep in mind, the numbers that I quoted are for both the Sedan and the Coupe combined...I haven't seen the sales split between the two (total 2010 year was 29,122).
Back in 8/08, they hoped to sell 50K per year (20K sedans/30K Coupes).
I don't know about their marketing other than; A) they aren't or B) they are doing it wrong.
if they could give the 2.0T a bit of a power bump from the factory (bit more aggressive cams/cam timing, bump the boost up a little bit and improve head bolts/head gasket to suit, slight re-map, etc...) without bumping the price up much, I think it might do a bit better. currently, for the kind of money a Genesis Coupe with the 4 banger goes for, you can get a car that handles close to as well, and has a V6 making 95hp more while still getting 30mpg, and on top of that it's an established name from one of the biggest car companies in the world, and that's a seriously big gauntlet to pick up, and right now I don't think Hyundai can pick it up. the GC is more of a 2+2 GT car than a small sports car so it can't really compete with the MX5, even in 2.0 turbo form, but other cars in the same price range as the 2.0T have 100hp or so on it and a much much more established name (the Mustang and the Camaro have been around since the '60s, the GC since 2010). the V6 GC is a bit too expensive to compete with the Mustang (for V6 GC money you can have a base Mustang with the awesome 5.0L V8), although it does seem like properly good competition for the RX8, considering they are both fast, 2+2 GT cars. the RX8 has the advantage of having been around for a few years and having been developed and improved over the years, but the GC does have a 60hp advantage and a fairly nice V6
Im still waiting on theFTtoyobaru86
Bobzilla wrote: That's because it's Greenwood..... no one wants to deal with that side of town!Besides, I said "reputable" dealer....
I lol'd.
THE GOOD news for hte GC is there is goingto be a power bump for the '12's with the facelift.
They seem like decent cars. Two of my friends have bought them, one went straight to a V6 track, the other started with a 2.0T, started modding it, realized that he was gonna sink gobs of money just to get it where the V6 R-spec was stock, and traded it in on the V6.
He let me drive the 2.0T when he had it, and it just felt kinda flat. I expected to feel the turbo kick, but the way they have it tuned it's all spooled up by something like 1800 rpm, and the motor just felt like a mediocre V6 to me.
I've seen a few around here on the road. The first couple I saw I almost confused with the Tiburon as it looks almost like one. My daughter has a Tib GT. Had one (a turbo version) show up at a local autocross, they seem to be deceptively heavier than they appear.
In reply to bravenrace:
There was a 2.0t at a track day at Shannonville a year and a half ago and it had a +70HP chip (Dyno confirmed). Apparently there was a mechanic from Korea touring North America installing these for around $500, if I remember correctly. For a heavy coupe it was much better on the track than I had expected. Supposedly, the lighter 4 cylinder handles noticably better than the V6.
I've autoxed one -- a relatively stock 2.0 turbo; I was about 2 seconds behind the times I turned in my Miata (on R888s) on the stock Hyundai tires. I might have been able to close the gap with more seat time. It was balanced, predictable, and easy to drive, if not all that powerful.
I also instructed a student who had a V6 at Calabogie Motorsports Park. The car worked well at CMP (a long, technical track with lots of elevation and some lengthy straights). It wasn't the fastest stock car there, but the driver/car combo more than acquitted themselves for a newbie.
A Mustang GT is a better option for me, all things considered -- although more expensive.
I know that when I recognize one, I think the looks are good. I've seen a few, I guess, but otherwise I can't really picture it in my mind. Or rather, when I do see one, I have to check badges and such to make sure it is what I think it is.
It's not bland, so much as lost in the crowd of today's "hot" styling language.
Hate the new Sonata, BTW.
Bobzilla wrote: THE GOOD news for hte GC is there is goingto be a power bump for the '12's with the facelift.
I hope they fix the grill area. It's probably a personal thing, but the "face" on that car ruins what is otherwise a well-proportioned design. The Sonata got a bad case of "butterface" as well. Seems rampant these days in modern car design. Acura, I'm looking at YOU.
On a side note - their countrymen over at Kia seems to have developed a pretty good styling language, even if it's heavily influenced by some Honda cues. (Honda could actually take some notes methinks, and that's not a reference to the Acura grill debacle)
Tom Heath wrote: Hyundai is missing a marketing plan, or at least an effective one. The Genesis is in a crowded market segment, and is no longer the cheapest option.
+1
It is a great looking car with a nice price/performance combo but is not being actively marketed in any way. I totally forgot the car even existed.
ZOO wrote: I also instructed a student who had a V6 at Calabogie Motorsports Park. The car worked well at CMP (a long, technical track with lots of elevation and some lengthy straights). It wasn't the fastest stock car there, but the driver/car combo more than acquitted themselves for a newbie.
+1... C&D had their lightning lap @ VIR, sounds like a similar track:
The people who are looking for a affordable rwd sports/sporty coupe probably don't have the hyundai dealership on their list, and it's not because they forgot about the genesis coupe.
Except people campaigning them for auto-x nationals, the only other people driving them seem to be women in their mid 20s and college pukes playing real life gt-4 on the highways.
Kinda OT, but I'm deeply suspicious of some of the times that Paul is referencing (from an unnamed source, of course.)
Tom Heath wrote: Kinda OT, but I'm deeply suspicious of some of the times that Paul is referencing (from an unnamed source, of course.)
Too fast or too slow and which cars?
Tom Heath wrote: Kinda OT, but I'm deeply suspicious of some of the times that Paul is referencing (from an unnamed source, of course.)
Car & Driver is the source.
The times are what they are, i'm just more suspicious of some of the results.
I bet if another magazine did the same test (like GRM), there would be some shakeups in there.
In reply to Tom Heath:
Sounds intriguing. Tell us more.
I volunteer to be their test driver.
They must not be selling well around here. I've never seen one outside of a magazine.
I read the C&D article just this morning and was shocked by the V6 Mustang results. It made me wonder how much a stripped version would cost. Bare bones, but just to get the 305 hp motor.
around here last i looked there were 8 or 9 on the lot and they weren't really dealing on them either. seems like some dealers think these are really hot cars and want sticker, maybe others know how to move volume.
just took a look at autotrader there are 60 scattered across 6 dealers in the houston area. there was only one used listed with a manual transmission, with 500 miles on it at a carmax. 2.0T/white/6spd and they want 22,9 for it. you could buy it new for what, 300 bucks more? what a rip
Took only 500 miles for them to turn it in, huh?
From what I've seen of them it's a matter of they look good on paper, but the execution doesn't quite seem to live up to the specs.
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