gearheadmb
gearheadmb SuperDork
5/1/18 9:42 a.m.

Pretty much what the title says. I see lots of e30's and e36's that have major engine problems for dirt cheap. I have a 350/350 combo sitting around that needs a home. So in my head it seems like a good idea. Do a mild build on the engine, say 300-350 hp and tq, a manual valve body and decent torque converter, do it all on the cheap using swap meet and cl parts where I can, and put it into the small light and nimble 3 series. Maybe take it to the challenge, maybe rallyx it, maybe just have a fun cool car.

But what are the actual logistics of it? I know that I would need to fab the mounts, that's not a big deal. Also modifying the trans hump is fine. What about oil pan, will the rear sump work? What about the distributor, is that going to be an issue? I imagine this being a race car style build, so things like climate control and factory gauges aren't an issue. How much power and abuse will the final drive live through? What else am I missing?

buzzboy
buzzboy Reader
5/1/18 10:33 a.m.

One of the biggest issues with the e30/e36 platform and V8 swaps is header clearance with the steering shaft. With an SBC you might be okay with a center dump manifold or with a forward swept manifold. JTR did a piece about Gen1s in e36s but I can't find it anymore. There is also a great build thread but it's been killed by Photobucket.

M2Pilot
M2Pilot Dork
5/1/18 12:20 p.m.

Lots of discussion of these swaps on bimmerforums.

gearheadmb
gearheadmb SuperDork
5/1/18 12:22 p.m.

In reply to buzzboy :

Yeah, I found that one yesterday. It looks like it had some great info before the photoberkit debacle. 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
5/1/18 12:23 p.m.

Can I assume it will be carbed? 

gearheadmb
gearheadmb SuperDork
5/1/18 12:27 p.m.

In reply to Appleseed :

Possibly. I have a complete tbi setup from a 454 that I was considering using also. 

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
5/1/18 12:56 p.m.

TBI sucks for performance. You'll do heaps better with a carb, especially if you have a reasonable idea of how to tune one.

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
5/1/18 2:39 p.m.

Rear diff and axles are pretty stout. 

Go for it. Putting a V8 in an E30 has been documented multiple times, no biggie if you can fab.

JBasham
JBasham HalfDork
5/2/18 3:11 p.m.

I did it with an SBF, also with the goal of keeping the budget really small.

Headers on the driver's side are the hitch.  They wind up close to the ABS pump.  I moved mine to the front of the engine bay.  The steering shaft has a big meltable rubber rag joint to the rack.  I replaced that with a joint that Flaming River sells specifically for the E36 rack.  With those out of the way, all you need to do is weld up a header that will fit in the remaining space.  I also tried to use the stock cats and muffler, but they were holding me back a bit with just a stock SBF, so I did dual 2.5" replacements this winter.

The differential is a 4-hole bolt plate and the E36 uses a two-piece drive shaft.  Some people take the back end of the E36 shaft and whatever slip-yoke shaft they have for the Chevy to a shaft shop for welding into a 1-piece unit.  Others find an adapter plate that converts the dif to a standard 1310 U joint.  Jags That Run sells those, but they may be out of stock sometimes.  There is also a fair amount of dinking around to get the drivetrain angles within the range of tolerable.  There's enough drop from the trans to the diff for the u joints, but the transmission angle is tough to get right without hitting the steering rack with the oil pan.  That may just be an SBF problem though because the intake manifold is so tall.

I dunno about the Chevy oil pan but I think you're on the right track with rear sump.  That's what I use for the SBF.

I re-used the E36 power steering setup and made a bracket to get it on the engine.  If you need AC, you will have that problem plus no flexibility where to put the compressor.

The reason all those E36s have engine problems is the cooling system.  Best to get a new radiator and pusher fan in there, but there's a fair amount of room.

I don't know how much fuel flow you would need for the 350.  It's pretty much impossible to find a good estimate of the E36 stock pump LPH capacity but for anything much over 250hp, plan on upgrading to a Walbro in-tank.  I am trying to buck up the voltage to the stock pump instead, just to see if I can make it work.

Brakes would be fine for the street but not for the track unless you used an M3 chassis.  I tried the stock non-M setup and it wasn't up to track work once the horsepower was upgraded.  I swapped in front calipers and rotors from an e46 330i and rear calipers/rotors from an E46 325i, which worked great, no need to change the master cylinder.  But the upgrade means 17" wheels too.  Tire Rack has some decent TR Motorsport jobs for about $150/corner.

Only other problem is the suspensions on these cars are really soft for track work and the bushings are all shot, so there is a lot of work and replacement parts right there.  But there's also a steady supply of quality used coilovers and such for sale at Bimmerforums.

 

Vigo
Vigo UltimaDork
5/2/18 10:16 p.m.

It's pretty much impossible to find a good estimate of the E36 stock pump LPH capacity but for anything much over 250hp

Well, any pump that will do ~250hp @ 40+psi will do approximately infinity horsepower @ 3 psi, so a bigger problem might be making sure your fuel pressure regulator can bypass enough flow to keep pressure low enough for a carburetor. Im basing this on the assumption that OP is doing carb. 

 

I have a friend with a nice, dormant 325is that i keep trying to find reasons to want, so i watch these type of threads. I lean SBF pretty strongly, though. 

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