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Ed Higginbotham
Ed Higginbotham Associate Editor
4/5/18 10:45 a.m.
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The SCCA's rallycross board just approved two new classes for all of their events nationwide. Open Category Rear-Wheel Drive and Open Category All-Wheel Drive will be added to catch all cars who exceed the Modified class rules. This means dune buggies, sand rails, kit cars and other custom-built machines will now be allowed to compete.

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Wiscocrashtest
Wiscocrashtest New Reader
4/5/18 2:44 p.m.

yes

Driven5
Driven5 SuperDork
4/5/18 3:08 p.m.

Engines restricted to production automotive based and no more than 4 cylinders...Interesting choice for an 'open' class.

thatsnowinnebago
thatsnowinnebago GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/5/18 4:02 p.m.

Is this the class that caused much gnashing of teeth a couple of weeks ago? Something like how it really only fits open-class rally cars or something?

Kreb
Kreb GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/5/18 4:18 p.m.
Driven5 said:

Engines restricted to production automotive based and no more than 4 cylinders...Interesting choice for an 'open' class.

Disappointing. The bureaucrats win again. But wait, they mention chain drive. So can someone explain the logic here? 

rslifkin
rslifkin SuperDork
4/5/18 4:46 p.m.

I'm pretty sure it's "build whatever you want as long as it's not stupidly overpowered because rallycross isn't a 100mph sport"

Driven5
Driven5 SuperDork
4/5/18 5:10 p.m.
Kreb said:
Driven5 said:

Engines restricted to production automotive based and no more than 4 cylinders...Interesting choice for an 'open' class.

Disappointing. The bureaucrats win again. But wait, they mention chain drive. So can someone explain the logic here? 

Just in case somebody decides to build their own Frazer-Nash 'chain gang' transmission?

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/5/18 6:30 p.m.

I love the way the SCCA does "Open" class. frown

FPZguy
FPZguy New Reader
4/5/18 6:37 p.m.

LOL - so is that "Sorta Open"????

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/5/18 6:40 p.m.
rslifkin said:

I'm pretty sure it's "build whatever you want as long as it's not stupidly overpowered because rallycross isn't a 100mph sport"

If you want to build something stupidly overpowered just run in Mod. 

rslifkin
rslifkin SuperDork
4/5/18 6:43 p.m.

In reply to EvanB :

Exactly!  You can have ludicrous power or ludicrous everything else, but not both. 

MrChaos
MrChaos GRM+ Memberand Dork
4/5/18 8:16 p.m.

i mean isnt mod basically anything goes as long as it looks like what its entered as?

edizzle89
edizzle89 Dork
4/6/18 8:01 a.m.
Toyman01 said:

I love the way the SCCA does "Open" class. frown

it's open to anything you want as long as you dont break the rules

eastsideTim
eastsideTim UltraDork
4/6/18 8:23 a.m.
MrChaos said:

i mean isnt mod basically anything goes as long as it looks like what its entered as?

Pretty much.  Follow the safety rules, and as long as it has what appears to be a factory(ish) body shell, you're good to go.  Very few people seem to have exploited it to its limit.  Open class has enough restrictions that dune buggies and other open cars would likely require modification (sometimes extensive) in order to be class legal.  I wish the cylinder restriction wasn't there - a vette kart could be a lot of fun, even if it probably wouldn't be very competitive.

81cpcamaro
81cpcamaro Dork
4/6/18 8:52 a.m.

They know us and what we would do with a completely open class, so they had to have some limits. A sand rail with a motorcycle engine sounds like a fun choice. Might have to try Rallycross.

eastsideTim
eastsideTim UltraDork
4/6/18 9:14 a.m.
81cpcamaro said:

They know us and what we would do with a completely open class, so they had to have some limits. A sand rail with a motorcycle engine sounds like a fun choice. Might have to try Rallycross.

Too bad it wouldn’t be legal in open class.  Needs to have a car or light truck engine...

Kreb
Kreb GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/6/18 9:51 a.m.

I've got a hankering to do  a tube-frame, rear-WRX-engined AWD buggy with a Karman-ghia shell on top. would that fit any category?

HFmaxi
HFmaxi New Reader
4/6/18 9:53 a.m.

I still don't quite understand who this is geared for. I think there is want for utv's and cross karts as well as the vette carts.

81cpcamaro
81cpcamaro Dork
4/6/18 10:13 a.m.

In reply to eastsideTim :

Yea, helps to read all the rules first, just glanced over them, missed the engine part.

eastsideTim
eastsideTim UltraDork
4/6/18 10:25 a.m.
81cpcamaro said:

In reply to eastsideTim :

Yea, helps to read all the rules first, just glanced over them, missed the engine part.

It’s unfortunate, but I’m guessing that rule is there to prevent people from widening and lowering a UTV.  

spacecadet
spacecadet GRM+ Memberand New Reader
4/6/18 10:26 a.m.

In reply to Driven5 :

They're keeping out the Side by Sides for now, that is a separate and currently ongoing conversation about creating a class for them 

bluej
bluej UltraDork
4/6/18 10:33 a.m.

Sorta-open is right. As was stated, there's really more freedom to build whatever in mod class

Kreb
Kreb GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/6/18 10:38 a.m.

One thing that I'd be concerned about if rules are opened up too far is events with too many participants. It's probably not an issue in middle America, but I pretty well quit autocross because spending 2/3 of a hot summer day for 2 minutes of driving isn't what I call a great time (I know, drag racers are rolling their eyes right now). So far, rallycross offers a significantly better ratio of waiting to driving, but if every Tom Dick and Harry brought their vehicles, that might not be the case.

GCrites80s
GCrites80s Reader
4/7/18 9:59 a.m.
eastsideTim said:
81cpcamaro said:

In reply to eastsideTim :

Yea, helps to read all the rules first, just glanced over them, missed the engine part.

It’s unfortunate, but I’m guessing that rule is there to prevent people from widening and lowering a UTV.  

Buuuut, a Kei car engine-swapped UTV would be legal if the sheetmetal/body requirements were met.

MrChaos
MrChaos GRM+ Memberand Dork
4/7/18 10:13 a.m.

I mean there are RZR 1000's that have beetle bodys that are MA legal. These are both RZR 1000's so you can get around the no UTV rules.

 

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