bonylad
bonylad GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
11/10/21 7:04 a.m.

So a guy has a stock 04 Golf TDI manual.  Im considering adding it to my journey of automotive stupidity.  Its got 348K miles and is stock.  

I have done the initial checks on problems these cars have and found the cam issue, where it wears out and various other small things. Having already gone through a pump driven cam wear fiasco on my 07 GTI....Im leary. Though logic tells me a car with that many miles has either been taken care of, or has had the issue resolved.  Thats just my thought process.  Timing belt done 20K ago according to the owner. Its clean and well taken care of........

I am leary of the mileage to some degree, but its a diesel and thats that. Timing belt is a lot more involved as your also timing diesel pump as well.  Requires some tools, which are available.  

Plus side.....diesel and MPG....plus that sweet sound!

 

Thoughts?

calteg
calteg Dork
11/10/21 8:06 a.m.

Lot of other cars out there that will pull diesel-like MPG. Many (Prius) will best it, with cheaper fuel and better reliability. 

Electrical issues are typically what takes these things down. Getting a stripper model w/o sunroof, auto trans, power anything seems to help longevity tremendously. 

Really depends on the buy-in. I like buying high mileage units at the bottom of the depreciation curve. How many additional miles can you put on the TDI to make the purchase price worthwhile? I bought a Prius for $3000 right before the pandemic hit. I've already put 20k miles on it. That was my target number, so if the motor blows up tomorrow, I'm perfectly fine putting the title in the glove box and leaving it on the side of the road.

buzzboy
buzzboy SuperDork
11/10/21 10:24 a.m.

In the BEW you don't have to time a diesel pump, those are PD engines. The issues with the PD engine are in the cams. Unless you run 505.01 spec oil you will eat the camshaft.

bonylad
bonylad GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
11/10/21 11:08 a.m.

In reply to buzzboy :

Right, that I know. I refer to the cam issue as just that.....what you mention. IDK? I mean with the mileage......logic states its either been fixed or isnt an issue?

LarsBrunkhorst
LarsBrunkhorst New Reader
11/10/21 12:19 p.m.

I have been deep into the TDI's for years, with 3 cars at 250k+ each, and a half dozen that I bought and flipped.

They are well built cars that have a couple quirks but I have had very few large scale issues. Maintenance trumps all in my opinion, 100-200-300k doesn't really mean anything if they have had good maintenance (and rust).

 

 

 

 

Tk8398
Tk8398 HalfDork
11/11/21 12:29 a.m.

The cam is a maintenance item, you don't really "fix" the issue, you just use the right oil and replace the cam on schedule (60k maybe? I don't remember).  I also remember seeing one that had the fuel pump fail and dump fuel into the clutch which ended up with both needing replacement.  Otherwise, just don't use anything but OE or OEM parts and it probably won't be too bad.

MrRobogoat (Forum Supporter)
MrRobogoat (Forum Supporter) Reader
11/11/21 1:39 a.m.

I have a mk4 golf with the ALH, it has 313k on the body and 341k on the engine and transmission, which is because the drivetrain outlived the Jetta wagon it came in. During the swap over it got a new timing belt, valve seals, and some general cleaning. I did swap in the larger injectors that came with the blown up engine in the Golf as well. I've been getting 40 mpg, which is low but I find it harder to keep my foot out of the plush cushion of torque it makes now...

Most of the electrical issues reputation come from two places: the design of the door latches and the coolant level sensor. The door latches have 4 micro switches in each on to detect open / close and locked / unlocked. When they fail, the car can become "possessed" as it gets confused about whether certain doors are locked / unlocked, etc. Early mk4s had a fault in the coolant level sensor that allowed coolant to wick up and through it, into the wiring. This caused horrific damage, and was a silent killer in that by the time you notice, it's too late. Revisions to the sensor / reservoir have basically fixed that. The Mk4s I've had have been quite electrically reliable on the whole. Rust has been a much bigger issue -- It's the rockers that will kill the car, clean behind the front fender liners and make sure they are not cracked. Pull some of the oval plugs and wash out the inside of the rockers, and spray with some cavity wax. Make sure the other body plugs in the vicinity are intact. I am in the rust belt though, so things might not be so dire in nicer climates.

I can't speak to the cam issue other than that I see plenty of other high mileage BEW cars out there. Other than that there aren't any issues that aren't worse than any other turbo gas car tbh, they're just different because diesel. The turbos and EGR can get clogged with soot, for instance -- the easiest way to avoid this is to get the car fully up to temp on the highway once a week or so. The intakes can clog up due to the EGR + crank case vent, but that get's taken care of on the order of magnitude of timing belts, and again is lessened by avoiding short trips. Mk4 TDIs have a good online forum presence, and there's lots of good information on maintenance and mods. You don't really need the manual for most jobs because they are so well documented.

For reference / comparison, my girlfriend has a Gen 3 Prius. It's a good car in a lot of ways -- it's more respectable than my old Golf to the majority of the population, it gets really good mileage around town, it comes up to temperature quickly in the winter, and the factory bluetooth stereo is better than the contraption I have. But, as the driving skews towards highway driving, I get similar mileage, and the Golf is a nicer car to drive long distances on the highway (the noise in the Prius is what gets me). Diesel prices have been really good this year, so the fuel costs per mile have been pretty close.The Golf has also been technically cheaper than going out and buying a comparable Prius (tbf, the Gen 3 is also 10 years newer), but the Prius has been cheaper in maintenance (the only really big money item I'd worry about would be the battery and the chassis rusting out). The Golf can tow a lot more than the Prius -- it will happily move more weight than I am comfortable putting behind it. Overall, a diesel car is a good fit for my driving needs right now because I am doing a lot of highway driving with minimal stop and go, along with using it to tow trailers and tug cars around. If that were to change to more non highway driving and traffic then the Prius would definitely be a better fit.

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