Sky_Render wrote: For $35K, it better have a freaking V8 under the hood. At this point in time, I'm glad I bought a Mustang 5.0 instead of waiting for this "hachiroku" successor.
My finances are forcing me to wait and compare it to the 50th Anniversary Mustang.
bravenrace wrote: In reply to ReverendDexter: Power is a feature. Handling is a characteristic. It generally costs more to produce a higher powered engine, but it doesn't necessarily cost more to make a car handle a certain way. It's more a matter of tuning.
False.
jimbob_racing wrote: My local Scion dealer (Rohrich Scion) has been trying to sell me an automatic equipped car via email for two weeks. Says it would be at sticker price, plus taxes tags and a "doc" fee. I keep telling them that I don't want to even look at an automatic but they're persistent.
My friends would drop dead if they ever heard me say this, but... You should drive it. Seriously. I have always said that I would rather have AIDS than drive an automatic, however I can honestly say that the auto might be a better match in this car for day-to-day driving.
The six speed in the FRS is not a pleasure to shift as it is in a Miata; there is a "Clunk" or linkage noise of some sort between 1-2-3 shifts that makes you not look forward to pulling the gears. Also, with 6 speeds,and a torque curve that wakes up suddenly around 4000 rpm you are forever up against the rev limiter or in too low of a gear.
Point taken and still invalid.......for stop and go in rush hour, your point makes sense.....otherwise, it ruins it.
bravenrace wrote: In reply to ReverendDexter: Power is a feature. Handling is a characteristic. It generally costs more to produce a higher powered engine, but it doesn't necessarily cost more to make a car handle a certain way. It's more a matter of tuning.
Do you feel you can tune suspension geometry, chassis stiffeness, weight distribution and overall weight?
Sky_Render wrote: For $35K, it better have a freaking V8 under the hood.........
I still dream about a big red Benz with a 6-speed. This one is tagged wrong but you could buy them with a stick shift.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2010-Mercedes-Benz-C-Class-/280914443542?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4167ce3d16
Datsun310Guy wrote:Sky_Render wrote: For $35K, it better have a freaking V8 under the hood.........I still dream about a big red Benz with a 6-speed. This one is tagged wrong but you could buy them with a stick shift.
That's a beautiful car. I think I'd rather have a supercharged CTS-V wagon, though. 
In reply to Sky_Render:
I agree with you but I am trying to keep this in the FR-S price range. ($25,000-$30,000)
Not that I want/can afford/need/get approved for a $600 car payment..................
Saw a commercial for the FR-S, today. Showed MSRP at the end as $27k without delivery. The one at my local dealer 3 weeks ago had MSRP as just under $25k including delivery. Price is already going up. Doesn't seem like a good omen to me.
I posted the information in Club4AG, I'm sure this is "officially, unofficial"
Moto-P Admin Club4AG wrote: Well the thing with Scion's policy is Pure PRICE, which means dealers must stay with a marked price for 30 days. Not restricted to sell at MSRP. Before you make any angry rants, please read this. The dealers in the USA are independent, not OWNED by Toyota. So, Toyota can suggest things and contract the way they do business with them that is part of an agreement to be Toyota dealers. But, since dealers are not PART of Toyota in terms of ownership, they are free to sell at any price they choose, only that they need to stick with that price for a month (for Scion cars), if they choose to be a Toyota dealer in the future. Most dealerships that DO business according to Toyota's guidelines do sell at close to or at MSRP. A great number of them do not, and charge a markup for cars like FRS which they can't get enough. It goes without saying that those that DO sell at MSRP do get a lot of customers, and the way it works is these volume dealers DO get MORE FRS and other high demand cars regularly and more often. Those that sell at huge markup do not move as many cars and are forced to charge more to stay afloat, since they can't get more than a handful like 2-3 a month. So like buying anyting from any independently owned store, whether a bunch of bananas or TV sets, its really the customer's job to find the right independent dealer to buy at the right price. ANY USA dealers will, for a nominal fee much less than that of these outrageous $5000+ markup for FRS, WILL ship and register a car in any State. So do some looking around all around the USA. Chances are you will find a dealer who can sell you at MSRP. Ther are many, only that they have a wait list because of this. In the case of APPLE, most of thier products are sold through thier own enterprises or collaborative partners like Verizon and ATT, which they all agreed to sell at Fixed prices, since they don't need to deal with independent owners and dealers for the most part.
Moto-P Admin Club4AG wrote: Yes, Penske and Longo Scion, as well as DCH Torrance CA, have at least to have sold most of them at MSRP. It really depends as in-stock cars may have added items, while pre-order cars may have nothing and at MSRP. Just takes a bit of talking to express your desires here. Toyota is not ignoring it and encourage the privately owned dealerships to sell at MSRP. Only some choose to not heed this in favor of thier own business tactics which Toyota can't control to full extent if they want to keep a vast netwrok of dealers in the USA. And Toyota is well aware of the scenario this time, and are in this for the long run. I doubt the production will cease anytime soon as GLOBAL prodcution for the cars are way over the production capacities at this time, and for perahps a several years to come. More like the first and second gen MR2 here, than failed cars of more recent times, and this time, with demands not just in Japan and USA, but with 22 other nations that will eventually get this car under either Subaru or Toyota names and dealers.
So when does the sedan get released.
Looks like Subaru is already offering dealer cash of $400 on theirs.
aussiesmg wrote: So when does the sedan get released.
Oh my. A small, light, manual, FR sedan, reasonably priced. That is something that a few years from now would legitimately be on the table for me as far as new cars are concerned. If kids are in my future, its somewhat hard to justify buying a new coupe with teh wife.
Hmmm. This one at my local Scion dealership was $25,500 before $200 processing fee, $25,700 or so all told. No huge markups.
Now, in adjusted for inflation dollars, that's LESS than a lower hp 944 was, or an RX7 FC Turbo (also lower hp). It's less than the S2k was, less than the 170 hp Integra GSR, less than the Miata, etc. It offers a bespoke RWD chassis and practicality that the Miata lacks. It's the return to the inexpensive (have you PRICED new cars lately?), lightweight, agile RWD sports cars that enthusiasts have been asking for for over a decade and enthusiasts STILL find reasons to bitch about it? No wonder the enthusiast market is not catered to anymore, you guys are complainers that won't buy new ANYHOW (because there's always SOMETHING wrong with it).
Personally, I hope that people buy the crap out of them, even at inflated prices, so that it forces other manufacturers to look at this market again. More competition would be a good thing (though it won't lower prices farther than they are, as inflation is still a factor).
In reply to Chris_V:
Good points. But for me, the more a vehicle costs, the more perfectly it has to meet my needs and wants for me to justify the purchase. So I may be more particular about a $25k car than I would a $20k car. In this case, I like the car, although I haven't driven one. I'm not in love with the styling, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
But with this car I'm paying for content I don't need or want. So regardless of the price, if I'm paying $3k-5k for those things I don't want, it's money wasted, so I don't buy the car.
On the Scion, what content are you pyaing for you don't want? There's no NAV, and really all the basics that any new car is required to have. Again, have you priced new cars lately? Outside of no-fun, FWD econoboxes, $25k is a great price. The AVERAGE new car price is over $30k.
What's the pricing on any other lightweight, RWD 2+2 sports car these days?
I've said it before, the Frisbee would be a great car for $20k. Even then, it has way too much competition, price-wise, for me to ever consider purchasing it.
rotard wrote: I've said it before, the Frisbee would be a great car for $20k. Even then, it has way too much competition, price-wise, for me to ever consider purchasing it.
and this I agree with.
rotard wrote: I've said it before, the Frisbee would be a great car for $20k. Even then, it has way too much competition, price-wise, for me to ever consider purchasing it.
really? As I asked before, what other new, RWD, lightwieght sports cars are in that price range?
Chris_V wrote:rotard wrote: I've said it before, the Frisbee would be a great car for $20k. Even then, it has way too much competition, price-wise, for me to ever consider purchasing it.really? As I asked before, what other new, RWD, lightwieght sports cars are in that price range?
No point in arguing.
Chris_V wrote:rotard wrote: I've said it before, the Frisbee would be a great car for $20k. Even then, it has way too much competition, price-wise, for me to ever consider purchasing it.really? As I asked before, what other new, RWD, lightwieght sports cars are in that price range?
WEll, for $25k I just found 6 C6 vettes within 150 miles of me. That would be the first.
Bobzilla wrote:Chris_V wrote:WEll, for $25k I just found 6 C6 vettes within 150 miles of me. That would be the first.rotard wrote: I've said it before, the Frisbee would be a great car for $20k. Even then, it has way too much competition, price-wise, for me to ever consider purchasing it.really? As I asked before, what other new, RWD, lightwieght sports cars are in that price range?
New?
Who said anything about new? If I'm shopping in that price range for a toy car, I am going to shop for the most bang for my buck. less than 200hp and $25k and 2700lbs is not the best bang for my buck.
Bobzilla wrote: Who said anything about new?
I did. I asked what its ACTUAL competition is NEW. WHO ELSE IS MAKING A CAR LIKE IT??????????????????
Listen, bob, OF COURSE used cars will be better berkeleying values than new cars. But NEW car manufacturers cannot build new cars at used car berkeleying prices.
BREAKING NEWS! ATTENTION NEW CAR MANUFACTURERS!!! STOP MAKING NEW CARS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COMPETE ON PRICE WITH USED CARS!
Dumbass.
Chris_V wrote:Bobzilla wrote:New?Chris_V wrote:WEll, for $25k I just found 6 C6 vettes within 150 miles of me. That would be the first.rotard wrote: I've said it before, the Frisbee would be a great car for $20k. Even then, it has way too much competition, price-wise, for me to ever consider purchasing it.really? As I asked before, what other new, RWD, lightwieght sports cars are in that price range?
Ahh yes... the new/used debate enters another FRS discussion.
I can't wait until the FRS is a few years old so we can get back to apples-to-apples.
In the meantime I hope a ton of people buy new ones! I just might.
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