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NOHOME
NOHOME HalfDork
6/8/12 10:07 a.m.

Been a week and a few hundred miles since I picked up the FRS. As requested, a quick report on how I feel about the car.

This is very much a niche vehicle. For the 15 people out of 100 who “Get it” it is the perfect car. For those that are not in the niche, it is a dumb or compromised car. Not that being in the 80th percentile makes you right or wrong, just that this crowd and the car won’t match. Out of those 15%, Toyobaru can only hope that at least 10% have the lifestyle and funding that allows them to buy the car. You can be sure that some percentage outside of the 15% will buy only to discover that they can’t live with the car no matter how much of it they do like, and hence will commence the used car portion of the market. I figure within a year for sure you will find used cars.

You need to stop looking at this car from the perspective of “I drove to the dealer for a test drive in my Saturn Booster Powered Turbocharged Corvette and find the FRS to be slow by comparison.” Try the more likely scenario of “I drove my 8 year old Honda Civic to the dealer for a drive in the FRS and it felt pretty quick even with the dumb Subaru engine.” Unless you are a street racer, the car has all the get-up- and- go that you need. The light weight is evident when you get on the gas. The light weight is even more evident when you go around a corner.

The FRS corners. Boy does it corner. And while I am sure that other bigger and faster cars can out grip the FRS, I doubt any of them can entertain the way this car does; the bitch may not be able to cook, clean or do the laundry, but she looks good and can sure wag the tail! Having the stability control turned off when driving the FRS is like knowing the girlfriend is not wearing panties under her dress; makes you of a mind to do bad things! Do remember to turn the traction control off every time you start the car, because it re-sets. Not sure if that is good or bad yet. Should be an interesting winter.

I have driven six speed manuals before and never fallen in love with the concept. This car has done nothing to change that. Seems that at any given time either of two gears would do the job, but you are not sure if you should stay or shift for some reason. Not that it is unpleasant, just not sure it is necessary. Bet it would be just as fast with a 5 speed. The 6th to 3rd downshift by accident is a distinct possibility if not paying attention. The gearbox itself is nice enough. Not quite "Miata like" and it feels like it has an external linkage of some sort rather than the inner rails of the Miata. Bit of “clunk” during some shifts. I still prefer the six speed to an automatic since I don’t commute in traffic.

Because I don’t sit in the backseat, I like the interior a lot. I have had two people in the backsea and we did all survive; that all I am going to say about that. The interior itself looks good, feels good and all the controls are easy to figure out. The analog speedometer is useless and weird. Not much interested in the ICE stuff, so won’t say anything about it. Radio does work I guess. Still getting used to the blind-spots. Not that they are all that bad, but different than the Protege and rear visibility is much less. I live two doors from a school and try hard not to run over people’s rug rats.

I like the looks of this car. So do most people who see it. It is smaller than most people expected. It also has enough character that some people are not going to like it. To me that is a good thing, design should provoke the emotions. I see this as the reincarnaton of the240Z in a lot of ways and that is a good thing in my books.

Because it is new, the car attracts attention. Some of it bad since a cetain crowd feels obliged to race you if you try to pass. I have a feeling this car is not going to sail under the cop radar like the Miata did.

The bottom line is that I, as a paying customer, am very happy with the car. I consider it an inexpensive car for my middle class means and it delivers what it said it would making it good value for the dollar. It makes driving to work a good part of my day. Reliability is going to be the determining factor in how well converted I am to the Toyota/Subaru brands. To their credit Mazda never did me wrong with 6 cars in the family over 23 years, it was hard to give up that loyalty and so this car has a lot to live up to in this department. Time will tell. I will check back in about 6 months.

singleslammer
singleslammer Reader
6/8/12 10:20 a.m.

Thanks for the update!

dj06482
dj06482 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
6/8/12 10:22 a.m.

Thanks for the review and your thoughts! Tracking the FR-S/BRZ for when they show up on the used market and when I'm going to need another car (hopefully about 5 years out).

Per Schroeder
Per Schroeder Technical Editor/Advertising Director
6/8/12 10:33 a.m.

Great review. I cruised by my local Scion and Subaru dealerships this morning. If I wasn't trying to sell a house and move, I'd probably already own one.

failboat
failboat Dork
6/8/12 10:38 a.m.

all these words over the past few weeks and no pics yet

z31maniac
z31maniac UberDork
6/8/12 10:39 a.m.
NOHOME wrote: Having the stability control turned off when driving the FRS is like knowing the girlfriend is not wearing panties under her dress; makes you of a mind to do bad things!

Great review, loved this line especially.

I want one desperately, but can't convince the wife I need this and be able to keep my track rat Miata.

In fact, I'm thinking a full-size truck instead of my mid-size may be in the future so I can feel more comfortable towing said track rat long distances for events.

nderwater
nderwater UltraDork
6/8/12 10:41 a.m.

Queue the autocross report!

carguy123
carguy123 PowerDork
6/8/12 10:43 a.m.

I've been wanting a cheap, lightweight slow car to drive fast. I'd rather drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.

I want something I can beat on, play like a race car driver and get a grin on my face without going stupid fast, cruise on the highway like a civilized human being and get great gas mileage. I'm not asking for much am I?

The Fiat and the BRZ/FRS seem to fit that bill. RWD wins over FWD any day in the fun department and in the OMG the working on the car department so guess which way I'm leaning.

Lesley
Lesley UberDork
6/8/12 10:49 a.m.

I haven't driven the Abarth, but the FR-S is far more fun than the regular Fiat.

NOHOME
NOHOME HalfDork
6/8/12 11:00 a.m.
nderwater wrote: Queue the autocross report!

Won't come from me! As much as I love track day driving, my brain will NOT see a path through a sea of orange cones.

Klayfish
Klayfish Dork
6/8/12 11:29 a.m.
NOHOME wrote: As much as I love track day driving, my brain will NOT see a path through a sea of orange cones.

Wait...what?!?! There's actually supposed to be a path through those? Son of a....

Great write up, glad you're enjoying the car. Will be very interesting to see how it sells and what it's demographics are like.

Lesley
Lesley UberDork
6/8/12 11:48 a.m.

Glad to hear someone else say that. I'm okay with autocrosses that have a smooth logical flow, but countless times I've ended stopped in the middle, hopelessly lost. I like courses that replicate a track experience – challenging my skills rather than being a confusing puzzle.

Derick Freese
Derick Freese SuperDork
6/8/12 11:54 a.m.

You're not helping me out much, man. I had planned on ordering one of these as soon as I had the opportunity. I'm in the primary demographic for this car, but can't afford one due to the job market (and my wife's unwillingness to move to find work). Sucks for me, but whatever.

I'm glad that these cars seem to be exactly what we were promised, with exception to the price tag. I can deal with that. I know it doesn't seem to add up on paper, but from every review I've read from people like me seem to love the car.

NOHOME
NOHOME HalfDork
6/8/12 12:26 p.m.
Derick Freese wrote: You're not helping me out much, man. I had planned on ordering one of these as soon as I had the opportunity. I'm in the primary demographic for this car, but can't afford one due to the job market (and my wife's unwillingness to move to find work). Sucks for me, but whatever. I'm glad that these cars seem to be exactly what we were promised, with exception to the price tag. I can deal with that. I know it doesn't seem to add up on paper, but from every review I've read from people like me seem to love the car.

About the price. Not sure I would want it to be much cheaper. Something would have to give and I think the car would be the worse for it. Here in Canada, it is at least 6,000 cheaper than a Miata.

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
6/8/12 1:15 p.m.

I dunno, Scion / Subaru promised the car would come in around $25K, and they came through on that price. IMHO it's a great value at that price point.

It looks like our review of the FR-S will be showing up in the August issue of GRM. This isn't written in stone though, as sometimes features get bumped due to space constraints. Hopefully it will be included.

Derick Freese
Derick Freese SuperDork
6/8/12 1:22 p.m.

Initially, it was $20,000, but in all reality, that was a pipe dream, even from the beginning. Like I said, I can understand it, especially with it being a niche vehicle.

racerdave600
racerdave600 Dork
6/8/12 1:44 p.m.
Lesley wrote: Glad to hear someone else say that. I'm okay with autocrosses that have a smooth logical flow, but countless times I've ended stopped in the middle, hopelessly lost. I like courses that replicate a track experience – challenging my skills rather than being a confusing puzzle.

I absolutely hate autocrosses that try to punish you rather than being fun to drive. Others pick on me, but I've packed up and left if I come across a course I don't want to drive, especially if it requires a first gear corner. There are plenty of other things I can do.

When I lay out a course, I choose a line I want to drive first, and then place as few cones as possible to make it happen. Cars carry speed, and you can't expect them to defy the laws of physics, which many seem to think they can! Sorry for the rant.

Back on topic, I really want one, and hate that I just bought a Cooper S. I was in a position that I HAD to have a car right now and couldn't wait. I've been saying for a while that I wanted a modern 240Z, and this appears to be as close as they come.

Great review, thanks!

Smarta$$ McPoopyPants
Smarta$$ McPoopyPants MegaDork
6/8/12 2:03 p.m.
It also has enough character that some people are not going to like it. To me that is a good thing, design should provoke the emotions. I see this as the reincarnaton of the240Z in a lot of ways and that is a good thing in my books.

Big plus one there. And thanks for the update. When someone gets excited talking about their car, it makes me happy; no matter what car it is.

Pete240Z
Pete240Z UltraDork
6/8/12 2:16 p.m.
Per Schroeder wrote: If I wasn't trying to sell a house and move, I'd probably already own one.

Time to make me a deal on that BMW 2002. Are you bored with it yet? JK

Mitchell
Mitchell SuperDork
6/8/12 2:33 p.m.
Derick Freese wrote: Initially, it was $20,000, but in all reality, that was a pipe dream, even from the beginning. Like I said, I can understand it, especially with it being a niche vehicle.

Perhaps my memory is failing me, but I don't remember toyota or Subaru ever promising such a low price. That sounds like something the speculators would say. My svt focus is almost ten years old now, and I think that its sticker was only a few ticks shy of 20k.

1966stang
1966stang Reader
6/8/12 4:48 p.m.

In reply to racerdave600:

My plan is to have both..we live in Ohio, hence a Cooper S with FWD for the rainy crapy days, won't drive it in the salt and snow.

But owning a Miata has made me fall in love with RWD, and this car looks like just the ticket.

1966stang
1966stang Reader
6/8/12 4:49 p.m.

In reply to Mitchell:

SVT Focus is one heck of a car...I have a very close friend who has owned one for almost ten years, its a few months newer than My Miata.

That SVT Focus is what convinced me I needed a small nimble FWD car, Hence the cooper. Ain't automotive ADHD grand?

Jaynen
Jaynen New Reader
6/8/12 5:08 p.m.

My 02 SVT focus was close to 25k with title and tax and everything but close to 20k for the price of the car itself. Of course by 2004 Ford was selling them BRAND new for 15-16k. By the time I sold mine in 07 I got 8k for it and that was nicely modded with only 30,000 miles

Wish I kept it now. I was always impressed that at 6" tall I could sit behind myself comfortably in the back seat.

For a DD Performance value they are pretty amazing cars

Conquest351
Conquest351 Dork
6/8/12 5:25 p.m.

WHERE ARE THE PIX?!

Great write-up too!

T.J.
T.J. PowerDork
6/8/12 5:49 p.m.

I was at the local Subie dealer yesterday - none there yet, so I have yet to see one in person.

Good write up. I've been seeing the Scion ads on tv. I'm not buying one at this point, but I really want them to be successful.

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