singleslammer
singleslammer PowerDork
8/31/17 6:27 p.m.
nutherjrfan
nutherjrfan Dork
8/31/17 6:34 p.m.

More after pictures would be a good starting point.

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/31/17 7:31 p.m.

Hard to judge by the pics, but generally speaking, I see a surprising number of modified cars with a lot of expensive parts running sketchy 30-year old fuel (and other) hoses. I would not be surprised if something along those lines was a failure point here.

Tk8398
Tk8398 Reader
8/31/17 7:57 p.m.

So many people take stupid risks with obvious fire hazards. The sarcastic and condescending responses I get when I ever mention something unsafe and explain how it could easily be fixed are always amusing too.

snailmont5oh
snailmont5oh HalfDork
8/31/17 8:36 p.m.

If anyone buys that, I'd like to have the K-member/Lower control arms.

singleslammer
singleslammer PowerDork
8/31/17 9:12 p.m.
snailmont5oh wrote: If anyone buys that, I'd like to have the K-member/Lower control arms.

Ha ha, that is unlikely. This is in the crack pipe aisle.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
8/31/17 9:24 p.m.
84FSP
84FSP Dork
9/1/17 8:17 a.m.

Given the flames you would have thought it was a Merkur...

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
9/1/17 8:31 a.m.

why post those pictures?

TiggerWelder
TiggerWelder Reader
9/1/17 8:39 a.m.

Those pics of a burnt car certainly are current, like before the fire was even out, post to CL!

GeneMSP
GeneMSP New Reader
9/1/17 8:44 a.m.
TiggerWelder wrote: Those pics of a burnt car certainly are current, like before the fire was even out, post to CL!

HAHAHA it really does seem like that.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/1/17 8:32 p.m.

That looks very fixable. The biggest thing is if anything melted under the dash. Even that is not a real problem as parts are so common.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
9/1/17 9:08 p.m.

In reply to pointofdeparture:

When you state "sketchy" are we talking old fuel lines or bad connections? Please elucidate, as I won't be able to sleep tonight otherwise. Currently have new rubber efi line with two hose clamps per connection.

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/1/17 9:21 p.m.

In reply to Trackmouse:

Both. Lots of worm gear hose clamps on old, disintegrating fuel line out there...ignored in favor of the next go-fast part. Probably 3 out of 5 modified cars on Craigslist have this issue and even a fair amount of people that should know better are guilty.

Stefan
Stefan GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/1/17 9:46 p.m.

There's a difference between work gear hose clamps and proper EFI clamps.

The word gear clamps cut into the hose and can cause leaks.

LanEvo
LanEvo GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/2/17 8:46 a.m.
pointofdeparture wrote: Hard to judge by the pics, but generally speaking, I see a surprising number of modified cars with a lot of expensive parts running sketchy 30-year old fuel (and other) hoses. I would not be surprised if something along those lines was a failure point here.

Saw that happen at Sebring a few years ago. Gorgeous 993 Turbo race car with full carbon fiber wide-body kit. Threw spectacular 3' fireballs with each downshift. As he passed me (for the 800th time) I smelled fuel and saw liquid pouring out from under the car. Honked and flashed my lights, but he didn't notice ... then he entered the hairpin. Typical exhaust fireball and BOOM. Burst into flames right in front of me.

Turns out he was still running the original rubber fuel hoses and one of them let go.

Tk8398
Tk8398 Reader
9/2/17 8:55 a.m.

In reply to Trackmouse:

Clamps like these and J30R9 spec hose (with gas having 10-15% ethanol you even need it for non efi cars now), no glass or plastic fuel filters, and immediately fixing stuff like leaky carburetors or any other fuel leaks are the main things to be safe.

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
9/2/17 9:50 a.m.

Ok. I have a few worm drives on the hoses now. In the appliance industry I've learned these are usually fine as long as they are not crimped down so hard that the rubber smooshes through the cuts for the worm drive. But I will swap to those solid ones now. Cheap insurance.

Mike
Mike GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
9/2/17 10:06 a.m.

Okay, I'll ask: What is an "old" fuel line?

Trackmouse
Trackmouse SuperDork
9/2/17 1:27 p.m.

In reply to Mike:

If you bend it, do you see cracks? Time for new. It's why I bought new lines. Also, general common sense. If you know that rubber hose has been there since 1985, its old.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/2/17 4:00 p.m.

Or like me with my 924s. I had to move it on the starter but it is dead so I put a 100 booster on it and as I am moving it with the hood open and booster clamps an the battery I see a really fine mist spraying out of the fuel lines completely engulfing the top of the motor in a fine mist. Shut it down and went and unplugged the booster and just walked away as the pressure bleed it self down. No fire but it was a close one. OE Porsche lines from 1987. Guess I got my $$$ from them.

pointofdeparture
pointofdeparture GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
9/2/17 4:47 p.m.
Mike wrote: Okay, I'll ask: What is an "old" fuel line?

If you don't know how old it is and your car is 15+ years old*, it is "old."

*Change that number to ~5 years if your car has forced induction. FI cars tend to bake the living crap out of everything rubber under the hood.

BrokenYugo
BrokenYugo MegaDork
9/2/17 5:50 p.m.
Mike wrote: Okay, I'll ask: What is an "old" fuel line?

If a rubber fuel line looks old it's way too old. If it's more than 10 years old and in a engine bay or near exhaust it's too old.

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