I know the datsani was very fast on cheap riken tires. I think he was 14th.
I know the datsani was very fast on cheap riken tires. I think he was 14th.
Catatafish said:My vote is to keep it real simple and do hatchbacks. It keeps with the theme of specific types of vehicles, while having a very low barrier to entry. Someone could just do a honda civic and nitrous and be very succesful, or a madman could v8 swap a toyota starlet.
Or a specific notably cheap make/model similar to the Nissan Micra spec racers they have in Canada. I was just looking at 800 dollar running Toyota Echos with 1.5L's and a Chinese-ium T3/T4 knockoff Greddy turbo kit, as if I have time currently to build a challenge car.
Robbie said:Well, I guess that was a hugely beneficial unintended consequence of the aristocrat, minivan, truck, and wagon classes, because it is unlikely for someone gunning for the pointy end to start with something in one of those buckets.
And really, isnt half the fun making something that has no business being fast, fast? "hey theres a 78 thunderbird that can do 9s"
Late to the party, and this may be a thing already, also not aiming for 2019 but I'm trying to get ducks in a row for 2020.... anyway:
What about "cars driven over x hours to and from the event." If I make it, google says 33 hours each way, and a trailer is just not in the cards. So car choice and build style is a huge limiting factor because it has to be road legal and up to 60+ hours on the highway and the challenge in the mix.
In reply to barefootskater :
There's already the longest distance award.
David S. Wallens said:If going the CAM route, you could merge CAM-C and CAM-T with CAM-S being a separate class. I'd say merge CAM-C and T since they're basically the same cars, with the Challenge budget pretty much eliminating the newer ones that dominate C.
I really would love to read about CAM cars built with 2K. I am currently in the market for such a car. The Civic was a one time thing because of the no drag race competition.
One of the ideas discussed was to have multiple classes which would allow build options based on their current fleet, options, whatever. The goal being # of participants and editorial content, a few class trophies, plus the overall award would allow more competitors to go how with bling.
Of the discussed options, here is my recommendation for class awards. All cars are in the hunt for the overall but can participate for a class award if built to rules. All cars will also be held to all safety rules of the event.
Overall Award (current rule structure)
Roadster class: Convertibles running a max 205 width, 300TW rated tire for BOTH autocross and drag portions of the event.
Hardtop class (Coupe, Sedan, Wagon): Running a 225 width, 300 TW rated tire for BOTH autocross and drag portions of the event
Special class: CAM (current rule structure)
Other trophies:
Old guy
Novice
Longest drive
Fastest autoX
Fastest Drag
Highest Concours
In reply to barefootskater :
If i still lived in Cedar City I'd join your team. I sadly moved to Northern Utah 2 years ago.
Don't forget the rookies (you listed as novice and I missed it initially) and the high school team trophies.
Those are part of the link to get more/new entrants.
I was really interested in the Mentor idea that came up to help bring in new teams.
I like the tire limit idea for a special award, as long as it's not a limit on all competitors.
I don't think anyone wants to limit tires overall. Requiring the Wreck kids to run on 200tw tires is about as silly as telling the Nelsons they can't run drag tires.
In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
I didn't think so, but I just wanted to put it out there.
Here’s an idea that has not been discussed... How about an FMV only class?
Every line item on the car has to purchased from a retailer, or listed at FMV.
This would take away the builds that are based on those “once in a lifetime finds”, and get back to the roots of trying to build something that is repeatable, that anyone could replicate.
In reply to SVreX :
How far does FMV go then? The car? The engine? Might need a higher cap. Or are we taking condition into account?
In reply to SVreX :
That wouldn't be too difficult to fall under, assuming U-Pull-It lots counted as 'retailers'- with the exception of the tires/wheels from Stampie and some NLA Turbo Dodge engine parts from a guy who parts out a lot of them I think everything on the Rampage was bought from a retailer.
Of course this would also skew away from older vehicles since increasingly it's difficult to find parts from retailers...
In reply to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :
That is a good point- how is the car itself handled? An interesting variant of that would be that the base vehicle's price was set to whatever KBB comes up with as the price for it...
In reply to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :
I don’t know. Don’t really care about the details.
The point was the intent. Our builds have become increasingly unbelievable to innocent bystanders. If we want to increase participation, we should introduce a class that works hard to get back to the basics of the event and encourages people to bring basics that are easily achievable by anyone.
Id like to see a class that the average reader could look at and say, “I could do that”, instead of trying to compare their abilities to Andrew Nelson or Wreck Racing and saying, “Oh my gosh. I couldn’t ever do that!!”
In reply to Ashyukun (Robert) :
That is a reasonable approach.
The FMV class would be won by someone who had the largest craigslist search to find 5 similar adds to prove what they purchased was at FMV.
SVreX said:In reply to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :
...the average reader could look at and say, “I could do that”, instead of trying to compare their abilities to Andrew Nelson or Wreck Racing and saying, “Oh my gosh. I couldn’t ever do that!!”
This is why the Tercel deserves a feature article.
In reply to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :
Right.
But then Alfa would have to recognize that a full autocross car was competitive at the Challenge, and nearly had a podium overall finish.
That would be bad... 
In reply to SVreX :
Admittedly this wasn't a 'normal' Challenge- having the Drags would have changed the balance of things a modest bit...
Andy Neuman said:The FMV class would be won by someone who had the largest craigslist search to find 5 similar adds to prove what they purchased was at FMV.
Not if that's how FMV is set to be determined.
Alternatively, what about a "True $2019" class? No freebies...And maybe even no recouping?...Perhaps combine it with the FMV class idea?
On a whim I did some searching for CAM candidates. What I'm finding are all rust bombs. I see no way to get a cheap Camaro (or whatever) that's really rusty and get it in for $2019 without an impossible amount of labor/cost invested. The only thing I could think of would be to have that sub-class run as a "rat rod" class and not do a Concourse score, but I doubt enough people (or GRM) would be interested in what would show up for that...
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