KyAllroad
KyAllroad PowerDork
4/28/17 12:41 p.m.

I've heard through various sources that this is the plug to use in spec Miata racing because the longer threaded section takes up some of the combustion chamber giving a small bump in compression and therefore power.

Does anyone have any first hand experience with this?

BrokenYugo
BrokenYugo MegaDork
4/28/17 1:17 p.m.

No first hand experience but looking at the specs of the two I can't imagine that tiny bump in compression (probably under 1% difference, the difference is just in the tip projection) will make any measurable power increase.

https://www.ngk.com/product.aspx?zpid=10219

https://www.ngk.com/product.aspx?zpid=9308

rslifkin
rslifkin Dork
4/28/17 1:30 p.m.

A longer projected tip can give a better burn though, as it lights it off closer to the center of the chamber. That also has a similar effect to slightly advancing the timing.

Robbie
Robbie GRM+ Memberand UberDork
4/28/17 1:36 p.m.

Do you "clock" the spark plugs too? (clock means to buy 20 or more spark plugs and screw and unscrew until you find the 4 that keep the 'tang' (cathode?) in the optimal orientation for combustion).

NEALSMO
NEALSMO UltraDork
4/28/17 1:50 p.m.

In reply to Robbie:

They make washer/shim kits to degree the plugs too

I went to do it on my KA24E build when I had the head off and found that factory plugs with the correct torque were near perfect clocking.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/28/17 1:51 p.m.

We've been selling the ZFR6F-11 for a couple of decades We figure the extended tip gives a better burn by starting it closer to the center of the combustion chamber.

I don't believe we have ever burned through a couple of hundred bucks worth of dyno testing to verify a $12.95 set of plugs, though.

codrus
codrus GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
4/28/17 2:01 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: I don't believe we have ever burned through a couple of hundred bucks worth of dyno testing to verify a $12.95 set of plugs, though.

I bet McLaren has. Of course, their spark plugs probably cost a lot more than $12.95 a set, too... :)

Kendall_Jones
Kendall_Jones HalfDork
4/28/17 2:59 p.m.
codrus wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: I don't believe we have ever burned through a couple of hundred bucks worth of dyno testing to verify a $12.95 set of plugs, though.
I bet McLaren has. Of course, their spark plugs probably cost a lot more than $12.95 a set, too... :)

Back when I had my dyno I had several customers test out: wires (3 vendors), plugs (several vendors), fuels, oils, hub grease(!), etc

I recall there were some $25 / ea spark plugs that made some decent gains (> 2HP).

Kendall

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/28/17 8:16 p.m.

We did test some of the magic plugs years ago and determined that they didn't work any better than the NGKs

When Miata owners start paying McLaren prices, we'll start providing a dyno chart with every single set of plugs we sell.

https://www.flyinmiata.com/ngk-extended-reach-spark-plugs.html

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