If this happened, the twins sales would make Toyota wonder why they bothered with the Zupra.
https://www.torquenews.com/1084/more-next-generation-2021-subaru-brz-toyota-86-details-surface
If this happened, the twins sales would make Toyota wonder why they bothered with the Zupra.
https://www.torquenews.com/1084/more-next-generation-2021-subaru-brz-toyota-86-details-surface
In reply to z31maniac :
The platform they're talking about is a FWD platform, no?
In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
The ascent? Awd, and (edited for clarity) “front to the back of the vehicle “located drivetrain.
mazdeuce - Seth said:In reply to z31maniac :
The platform they're talking about is a FWD platform, no?
They use the TNGA for the rear-drive Lexus LS and LC, so maybe it's a smaller version of that.
In reply to _ :
So FWD with extra driveshafts? 
Just seems like a big departure from the initial FRS/BRZ design goals. I hope they keep it around. I like them.
I'm a huge BRZ fan, too. Yes, hopefully it remains true to the original.
_ said:In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
The ascent? Awd, and laterally located drivetrain.
I don't know what you mean by "laterally located drivetrain."
If you are intimating that the Ascent engine isn't aligned in the chassis the same way the FA20 is in the BRZ............you would be incorrect.
David S. Wallens said:I'm a huge BRZ fan, too. Yes, hopefully it remains true to the original.
Same here. I'm waiting to see the "actual" news we get for both the BRZ and STi for next year. Subaru is going to making money hand over fist if both are great. Because next year my top candidates are BRZ, STi, ND2.
Even the lowly Crosstrek can barely stay on the lot.
Seems unlikely. I'd think FA24 in STi, FA20 in BRZ if anything. The quote below from the article makes no sense...they're going to decrease the power of a modern DI turbocharged 2.4L engine from 260hp in a big crossover to 217 hp in a sports coupe? I wonder if what they actually meant was remove the turbo to do an N/A 2.4L with 217hp. Seems much more plausible....and lame. It will be the second coming of the 240SX, low revving 2.4L engine from a people mover in a 2+2 coupe!
Best Car magazine goes on to say the next-generation BRZ/86 will get a new engine that will replace the current 2.0-liter naturally aspirated Subaru Boxer. The report says new powerplant will be the Ascent-sourced FA24 2.4-liter turbocharged engine. Subaru will likely reduce the 260 horsepower power output of the 2.4-liter in the new sports twins' engine to 217 horsepower, a 12 horsepower increase over the current models and they will also increase torque over the BRZ/86’s present 156 lb-ft.
turtl631 said:The quote below from the article makes no sense...they're going to decrease the power of a modern DI turbocharged 2.4L engine from 260hp in a big crossover to 217 hp in a sports coupe?
Leaving a bunch of room for tuners to get back those missing HP while also possibly mitigating the hit to fleet EPA numbers and reporting lower HP for insurance actuaries to mull over.
They're going to need to be able to fit some wider tires under there in order to get the most out of it, though.
z31maniac said:_ said:In reply to mazdeuce - Seth :
The ascent? Awd, and laterally located drivetrain.
I don't know what you mean by "laterally located drivetrain."
If you are intimating that the Ascent engine isn't aligned in the chassis the same way the FA20 is in the BRZ............you would be incorrect.
Do you have arguments a lot on the Internet? You have a tendency to start arguments around here. Granted, the last locked thread you were in was mostly caused by that one guy. But the 3 locked threads before THAT was you. The strangest part is that you’ve been a long time member here, but as of August 26th, you’ve been on a bender. I don’t know what’s going on man, but I’m honestly saying this- if you need to talk, we (GRM) are here. And no, this is not sarcasm.
If the 86 goes with a torsion beam rear, I don't see how it gets laughed off the damn road. I mean, even the damn muscle car trio all have IRS at this point.
And people, all Subarus with AWD have their engine mounted longitudinally - there should be no worry about cross-platform use of the FA24F
So, is the Acsent some sort of Subaru or are we talking about a Hyundai? Confused.
T.J. said:So, is the Acsent some sort of Subaru or are we talking about a Hyundai? Confused.
It's their new large SUV.
z31maniac said:T.J. said:So, is the Acsent some sort of Subaru or are we talking about a Hyundai? Confused.
It's their new large SUV.
With a berkeleyton of cupholders. Like, literally 19 cupholders.
I don't think I have seen any other car that relied so heavily on internet innuendo and gossip to stay in the spotlight. It has been the case ever since the car was leaked to the internet in, I dunno, 2010 or so?
If I am being honest, it is a brilliant marketing strategy. It is also very annoying.
Pete
I hope this rumor is true. Even if they detune the Ascent engine to 217hp, a tune should bring that back and then some. And even at that 217hp level, it has almost half a liter displacement and a turbo, which means it should have a tone more midrange power and torque
No one get their hopes up. Torquenews.com is simply just a rumor mill. I see their "articles" being plastered across all the different forums to feed the speculation. Subaru is notoriously private/secret about upcoming cars, so I'd wait to hear what car is getting what engine from Subaru directly.
No state-side salesman, mechanic, or even SOA employee is going to know what the US is getting until FHI's pressroom announces it.
Also, Subaru engineers and the leads on the BRZ project themselves have gone on record a number of times saying that turbocharging won't work from the factory on that platform, nor do they feel it's needed. Not saying I agree with any of this, just quoting the manufacturer directly.
Torquenews isn't the kind of vetted reporting I would rely on to sleep well at night. For wild hopes and dreams, it's perfect.
Their one reporter Jeff Teague can be spotted on a lot of FB groups drawing up hype or conjecture for the rumor mill as well.
With that being said, wasn't there a recent remark from some big brass at Toyota stating their will be a second generation FRS/BRZ (that part is solid) and that it will be turbo (I can't remember correctly on this part).
I'm definitely not taking this outlet at face value.
I'd just be happy to see it get a naturally-aspirated 2.4 that is still rev happy and requisite increase in torque and HP.
z31maniac said:If this happened, the twins sales would make Toyota wonder why they bothered with the Zupra.
https://www.torquenews.com/1084/more-next-generation-2021-subaru-brz-toyota-86-details-surface
I guarantee that 75% of the current buyers have no idea what engine is in there to begin with. Most people know how many cylinders their car has at best. Cylinder configuration, valve train, capacity, no idea. It's a ............... (insert V6, V8 etc.) I predict it will have no impact whatsoever on Zupra sales.
No manufacturer cares enough about aftermarket potential to add the cost, complexity, and weight of a turbo system to an engine on top of a 20% displacement increase just to gain 12hp. So I agree that if there is any truth at all to this, it'll be a 2.4L N/A derrived from the Ascent engine and/or an STI version with the full force turbo setup.
In reply to _ :
I'm not sure what about Z31's post seems argumentative to you, but I believe the word you are looking for is 'longitudinally'. Laterally would be the same as transverse, which would explain Z31's, my, and probably others' confusion to your original statement.
Adrian_Thompson said:z31maniac said:If this happened, the twins sales would make Toyota wonder why they bothered with the Zupra.
https://www.torquenews.com/1084/more-next-generation-2021-subaru-brz-toyota-86-details-surface
I guarantee that 75% of the current buyers have no idea what engine is in there to begin with. Most people know how many cylinders their car has at best. Cylinder configuration, valve train, capacity, no idea. It's a ............... (insert V6, V8 etc.) I predict it will have no impact whatsoever on Zupra sales.
I'm with you on that, they are in completely different price areas $25-30k vs $50k+
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