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NGTD
NGTD SuperDork
12/17/14 10:26 p.m.

In reply to irish44j:

They are a specialized vehicle for people with mobility issues ie. wheelchair.

singleslammer
singleslammer UltraDork
12/17/14 10:33 p.m.

I am a little bit in love with the x6 but completely agree it is worthless. Pay more for less (than an x5).

Is the ZDX still made? I hate that it lost 3k pounds tow rating over the RDX. IT'S THE SAME berkeleyING CAR!

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
12/17/14 10:45 p.m.
NGTD wrote: In reply to irish44j: They are a specialized vehicle for people with mobility issues ie. wheelchair.

Assumed as much, but could never get a look at the logo or brand.

singleslammer wrote: I am a little bit in love with the x6 but completely agree it is worthless. Pay more for less (than an x5). Is the ZDX still made? I hate that it lost 3k pounds tow rating over the RDX. IT'S THE SAME berkeleyING CAR!

Actually the ZDX was the same as the MDX, not the RDX (IIRC). And now that I look, I guess they stopped making it after 2013. Apparently nobody noticed, lol...

singleslammer
singleslammer UltraDork
12/17/14 10:58 p.m.

I knew that but was too lazy to look it up (about the mdx). I like the mdx and thought that the ZDX might make for a cheap alternative but I think its tow rating is like 2200 lbs. The mdx is like 5k! Stupid weak rear subframe.

Mike
Mike GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
12/18/14 6:49 a.m.

RossD
RossD PowerDork
12/18/14 7:07 a.m.

I actually like full size vans, it's just Nissan got some crazy proportions to give the front end a 'truck-like' serviceability.

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory SuperDork
12/18/14 7:24 a.m.

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1988RedT2
1988RedT2 PowerDork
12/18/14 7:31 a.m.

Jeep Wrangler. Impractical, unattractive, uncomfortable.

"Arguably the most controversial choice on the list is the iconic Jeep Wrangler (including its stretched four-door equivalent the Wrangler Unlimited). While the Wrangler has few equals as a rough-and-tumble go-anywhere off-road vehicle, it’s lacking in refinement, comfort and road manners as a pavement-planted daily driver. Among its many faults, Consumer Reports condemns the Wrangler with such comments as, “it rocks and jiggles constantly, and handling is very clumsy…wind noise becomes very loud at highway speeds…getting in and out is an awkward act…the interior is uncomfortable.” It also gets poor crash test ratings and performance/reliability scores."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2012/11/28/new-cars-to-avoid/

I don't hate Jeeps, just never could understand why anyone would buy one.

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory SuperDork
12/18/14 7:47 a.m.

In reply to 1988RedT2:

I'll agree to a point ie: 94%. The 6% of guys that buy them to use thier utility off road? That I get. It's the other 94% I don't understand.

I've daily driven a tall, underpowered, softly sprung, noisy (howling Super Swampers, usually no top or doors even in the cold) for years. Itvwas worth it because the thing was a beast on the rocks and trails and it got used that way.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/18/14 7:59 a.m.

These are pretty weird, because they come in odd variations including 3-wheeled, and are sold by moped and farm implement dealers, and are not street legal in the US. But if I could get a special permit that allowed me to drive on roads up to 35mph, I'd grab one. Perfect for working around the property and occasionally heading to Lowes on surface roads.

The Polaris Slingshot is also pretty odd.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson PowerDork
12/18/14 8:11 a.m.

MINI Coupe. I want to like it, I like the original R50/53/56. I want to like the coupe, I want it to be a modern CRX, but it somehow falls short and looks weird and ungainly.

Wally
Wally GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
12/18/14 8:21 a.m.
Flight Service wrote: I too nominate the X6 and I helped launch it. Dumb

You should have used a catapult.

The MV1 is very good for its purpose and I hope they do well. Right now most of the Paratransit work here is done with small cutaway buses. Since they are generally only carrying 1-2 wheelchairs you could save quite a bit of money.

T.J.
T.J. PowerDork
12/18/14 9:06 a.m.

As an owner of a wheelchair accessible full-sized van, I sorta like the MV-1. Not sure the ramp would be as good for us as an actual lift though.

Agree and Morono convertible and the accord cross whatever which is the same as the BMW X6. I've never seen one of those silly sloped roof Acura things, but they remind me of the similarly rear headroom challenged range rover.

How about Tesla? It is fairly strange to make a performance oriented EV.

Flight Service
Flight Service MegaDork
12/18/14 9:13 a.m.
pinchvalve wrote: These are pretty weird, because they come in odd variations including 3-wheeled, and are sold by moped and farm implement dealers, and are not street legal in the US. But if I could get a special permit that allowed me to drive on roads up to 35mph, I'd grab one. Perfect for working around the property and occasionally heading to Lowes on surface roads.

Check your states low speed vehicle laws. Not all states have them. Those things are more useful than the side by sides any day of the week.

I like the Subaru Sambar.

Engine is in the back and it lends itself to some pretty cool paint jobs.

Cotton
Cotton UltraDork
12/18/14 9:36 a.m.
1988RedT2 wrote: Jeep Wrangler. Impractical, unattractive, uncomfortable. "Arguably the most controversial choice on the list is the iconic Jeep Wrangler (including its stretched four-door equivalent the Wrangler Unlimited). While the Wrangler has few equals as a rough-and-tumble go-anywhere off-road vehicle, it’s lacking in refinement, comfort and road manners as a pavement-planted daily driver. Among its many faults, Consumer Reports condemns the Wrangler with such comments as, “it rocks and jiggles constantly, and handling is very clumsy…wind noise becomes very loud at highway speeds…getting in and out is an awkward act…the interior is uncomfortable.” It also gets poor crash test ratings and performance/reliability scores." http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2012/11/28/new-cars-to-avoid/ I don't hate Jeeps, just never could understand why anyone would buy one.

Have you driven a new wrangler? My wife's 2 door has 280hp, nav, sat radio, heated seats, a 3 piece hard top, and is actually a nice trip vehicle and is her DD. It's also awesome offroad. As far as unattractive.....you're probably in the minority on that one as most people seem to love the styling of the wranglers. I had an 87 wrangler and it was pretty impractical and uncomfortable, but the newer ones are not imo of course. I stopped reading consumer reports vehicle reviews years ago....they just got so annoying. They really should stick to the plain vanilla sedans that fit their target audience.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson PowerDork
12/18/14 9:37 a.m.
Wally wrote:
Flight Service wrote: I too nominate the X6 and I helped launch it. Dumb
You should have used a catapult.

Sorry, I dig it. One of the few BMW's they build today I'd be willing to be seen in, the rest of their model line up has gone to hell. There's a cool red M version around here with the plate X6M

Chris_V
Chris_V UltraDork
12/18/14 9:59 a.m.

yeah, I love the X6M. Completely impractical and unnecessary, so I love it.

And while I don't see any need for the MINI coupe, I LOVE the MINI roadster. Same 2 seat MINI form factor, but it just makes me smile to look at it, and I love driving them.

iceracer
iceracer PowerDork
12/18/14 10:23 a.m.
1988RedT2 wrote: Jeep Wrangler. Impractical, unattractive, uncomfortable. "Arguably the most controversial choice on the list is the iconic Jeep Wrangler (including its stretched four-door equivalent the Wrangler Unlimited). While the Wrangler has few equals as a rough-and-tumble go-anywhere off-road vehicle, it’s lacking in refinement, comfort and road manners as a pavement-planted daily driver. Among its many faults, Consumer Reports condemns the Wrangler with such comments as, “it rocks and jiggles constantly, and handling is very clumsy…wind noise becomes very loud at highway speeds…getting in and out is an awkward act…the interior is uncomfortable.” It also gets poor crash test ratings and performance/reliability scores." http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2012/11/28/new-cars-to-avoid/ I don't hate Jeeps, just never could understand why anyone would buy one.

It's a JEEP thing.

etifosi
etifosi Reader
12/18/14 10:39 a.m.
iceracer wrote:
1988RedT2 wrote: Jeep Wrangler. Impractical, unattractive, uncomfortable. "Arguably the most controversial choice on the list is the iconic Jeep Wrangler (including its stretched four-door equivalent the Wrangler Unlimited). While the Wrangler has few equals as a rough-and-tumble go-anywhere off-road vehicle, it’s lacking in refinement, comfort and road manners as a pavement-planted daily driver. Among its many faults, Consumer Reports condemns the Wrangler with such comments as, “it rocks and jiggles constantly, and handling is very clumsy…wind noise becomes very loud at highway speeds…getting in and out is an awkward act…the interior is uncomfortable.” It also gets poor crash test ratings and performance/reliability scores." http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2012/11/28/new-cars-to-avoid/ I don't hate Jeeps, just never could understand why anyone would buy one.
It's a JEEP thing.

è una cosa jeep!

jstein77
jstein77 SuperDork
12/18/14 11:09 a.m.

This gets my vote.

drdisque
drdisque New Reader
12/18/14 11:14 a.m.
RossD wrote: I actually like full size vans, it's just Nissan got some crazy proportions to give the front end a 'truck-like' serviceability.

It wasn't intentional, it's because it was a last-minute hackjob of the Titan chassis to make a van out of it to keep their woefully underutilized assembly line slightly more utilized.

The MH-1 has a Crown Vic drivetrain, perhaps sacrificing some of the economy it could have had with a diesel for parts commonality and acceptance by taxi operators accustomed to the Crown Vic.

Petrolburner
Petrolburner Reader
12/18/14 11:34 a.m.
Toyman01 wrote: I vote the Porsche Panamera. No matter how it drives, handles, or feels from the inside, it just doesn't say Porsche to me. If anyone told any of us, 20 years ago, that Porsche was going to make a sedan we would have all laughed.

I pulled up next to one the other day at a stop light and, slightly shocked, I realized the looks are growing on me.

slowride
slowride Reader
12/18/14 1:03 p.m.

I vote for the Crosstour. Also I will contribute this rendering of an X6 that I found in my photobucket from a previous thread about them.

CobraSpdRH
CobraSpdRH New Reader
12/18/14 1:07 p.m.

*In addition to what has already been mentioned:

Nissan Cube? I don't understand the wrap-around window and the wheels, ugh.

It isn't strange, but the X1, why do people feel the need to buy that over a wagon/minivan/actual SUV?

ELR? Paying over $60k for a tarted-up Volt?

JtspellS
JtspellS Dork
12/18/14 1:23 p.m.

Anything with the word crossover in its name, It's a damn cover-up for the word minivan.

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