It looks like Street Prepared is likely to get a shakeup soon.
A new SP class is being created, GSP.
Effectively, the new BSP will have STis, Evos, GT-Rs, FD RX-7s, 135i, Solstice GXPs, etc.
The new CSP will have C4 'vettes, S2000s, 350Zs, etc. It'll also have a few cars from the old CSP. (Audi TT & Fiero)
CSP, etc. will be shuffled around with new names.
http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastrack/11/april/11-fastrack-april-solo.pdf
If I read that right, it looks like most of the class-name shuffling happens to everyone below CSP, but it's only in name - all DSP go to FSP, etc. The real competitive change is in CSP where they're keeping the moderately-to-highish powered rwd coupes.
Without referencing the current class rules, I can't tell if they're proposing moving some there from BSP (is that what you're saying Scardeal?). However, I do know the proposal moved the flyweights like the mk1 mr2 and miata to DSP. I only remember because it plays into my little fantasy of swapping in an SC motor in my lighter non-ttop chassis mk1a and playing at the local level. I still doubt it could stand up to the national (or regional) level miatas, but it'd be fun trying.
Wow, who knew?
Any cool projects become viable as a result of this?
It's in the proposal stage, btw. You can send in feedback via the SEB.
I love this proposal. CSP should be awesome, and it keeps the TreefiddyZ out of my ESP.
There's been a GSP for a long time,he's a fellow canadian and kicks asses for a living.
Matt B wrote: Without referencing the current class rules, I can't tell if they're proposing moving some there from BSP (is that what you're saying Scardeal?).
Yes. Likely most known on this board is the E36 M3 will move to the new CSP.
I'd say this has a good chance of passing... since I haven't heard a complaint against it yet... BSP seems to become more or less "Spec Evo" these days.
now they do this ... after I purchased new CSP vinyl for the CRX... 
after I purchased new CSP vinyl for the CRX.
wbjones wrote: now they do this ... after I purchased new CSP vinyl for the CRX...
It should be good for at least a year. :shrug:
Matt B wrote: I only remember because it plays into my little fantasy of swapping in an SC motor in my lighter non-ttop chassis mk1a and playing at the local level. I still doubt it could stand up to the national (or regional) level miatas, but it'd be fun trying.
Could you update to a Turbo?
now if only they would create a spec honda class within street touring, that way regions aren't scaring off new racers every weekend(seen it several times with indy/ft wayne)
pinchvalve wrote:Matt B wrote: I only remember because it plays into my little fantasy of swapping in an SC motor in my lighter non-ttop chassis mk1a and playing at the local level. I still doubt it could stand up to the national (or regional) level miatas, but it'd be fun trying.Could you update to a Turbo?
Unfortunately not. The only reason anyone can swap an SC motor into an NA is because both models are on the same "line" or class in SP. Even then, you need to swap over the entire powertrain, including the heavier E51 tranny (booo! I want to keep my C-series, lol).
The car would have an even greater weight penalty compared to the Miatas, but more torque than they could dream of. I'm not going to claim that it'd be top-o-the-heap, but I also haven't seen anyone do it yet.
yamaha wrote: now if only they would create a spec honda class within street touring, that way regions aren't scaring off new racers every weekend(seen it several times with indy/ft wayne)
They're also proposing a restructuring of ST to address this by moving the top performers (Civic Si + many others) into STS with us MR2's, Miatas, and CRX's. Essentially making the modern (heavier) sport compacts more competitive in ST. I'm pretty sure there's a thread around here somewhere with more details and a link to the Fastrack issue outlining the changes.
wbjones wrote: now they do this ... after I purchased new CSP vinyl for the CRX...
Get used to it if you want to autocross in the SCCA.
Matt B wrote: Unfortunately not. The only reason anyone can swap an SC motor into an NA is because both models are on the same "line" or class in SP. Even then, you need to swap over the entire powertrain, including the heavier E51 tranny (booo! I want to keep my C-series, lol). The car would have an even greater weight penalty compared to the Miatas, but more torque than they could dream of. I'm not going to claim that it'd be top-o-the-heap, but I also haven't seen anyone do it yet.
The update / backdate paragraph seems poorly worded.
The updated/backdated part or the part to which it is to be attached may not be altered, modified, machined, welded, or otherwise changed to facilitate the updating/backdating allowance. Standard factory installation methods, locations, and configurations are allowed. The updating and/or backdating of engines, transmissions, transaxles, and/or unibodies must be done as a unit; component parts and specifications of these units may not be interchanged.
My impression is that it allows transfer of the engine, intact, or the transmission, intact, or the transaxle, intact, or the unibody, intact, from one vehicle to another. That is, you cannot swap internal parts between engines, transmissions, etc.
scardeal wrote:wbjones wrote: now they do this ... after I purchased new CSP vinyl for the CRX...It should be good for at least a year. :shrug:
yeah the fasttrack doesn't really say whether it's a done deal or if it's only a proposal
Javelin wrote:wbjones wrote: now they do this ... after I purchased new CSP vinyl for the CRX...Get used to it if you want to autocross in the SCCA.
believe me I know... I've been with them for ~8 yrs
Matt B wrote:yamaha wrote: now if only they would create a spec honda class within street touring, that way regions aren't scaring off new racers every weekend(seen it several times with indy/ft wayne)They're also proposing a restructuring of ST to address this by moving the top performers (Civic Si + many others) into STS with us MR2's, Miatas, and CRX's. Essentially making the modern (heavier) sport compacts more competitive in ST. I'm pretty sure there's a thread around here somewhere with more details and a link to the Fastrack issue outlining the changes.
The "Spec Civic" is going to STX, last i heard, not STS.
scardeal wrote: The update / backdate paragraph seems poorly worded.The updated/backdated part or the part to which it is to be attached may not be altered, modified, machined, welded, or otherwise changed to facilitate the updating/backdating allowance. Standard factory installation methods, locations, and configurations are allowed. The updating and/or backdating of engines, transmissions, transaxles, and/or unibodies must be done as a unit; component parts and specifications of these units may not be interchanged.My impression is that it allows transfer of the engine, intact, or the transmission, intact, or the transaxle, intact, or the unibody, intact, from one vehicle to another. That is, you cannot swap internal parts between engines, transmissions, etc.
Oh! Well, this seems like good news for my little plan. I can save around 50lbs if I can stick with the NA C-series tranny. 
Sounds like I might need clarification though.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: The "Spec Civic" is going to STX, last i heard, not STS.
Whoops, my bad. The last I heard they were going to STS, or at least that's the way I understood it. My apologies for spreading internet hearsay. 
If the rules have not changed recently, then that is correct, the engine and transmission each count as one part, and can be swapped between cars on the same line, but only as a complete unit.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: The "Spec Civic" is going to STX, last i heard, not STS.
Nope, pretty sure the Spec Civic will be running with the CRX and Miata in STS.
along with all the other cars they are moving with the Civic to STS.... ya the same ones that the Civic been butt wooping for the last several yrs.... only now those same owners have to put up with Miata's and CRX's wooping on them also.... guess it's SCCA's way of getting rid of the Integra's, 2.5 RS's etc.... all those cars can't (except on rare occasions) hang with the Civic... wonder what makes the powers that be think these cars will be better off chasing the equally quick Miata's and CRX's....
My mistake guys, it is STS.
wbjones wrote: guess it's SCCA's way of getting rid of the Integra's, 2.5 RS's etc.... all those cars can't (except on rare occasions) hang with the Civic... wonder what makes the powers that be think these cars will be better off chasing the equally quick Miata's and CRX's....
I also thought it was weird they lumped a bunch of those cars in with top performers as well. Doesn't quite make sense to me either. I can only figure they're trying to make sure the newer heavier cars have the best chance possible.
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