maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
11/28/24 4:53 p.m.

Let's say coilovers are out of budget, because $2000 Challenge. How do you get stiffer shocks? What about a second shock on each corner? Something universal and cheap, with bushing or spherical mounts so it doesn't cause binding. Could this be done in a way to predictably improve a E36 M3box's handling? Discuss.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/28/24 5:11 p.m.

Usually shocks are doubled up to add thermal capacity rather than damping, some factory pickups in the '80s-'90s came with dual shocks and the Ford RS200 used them. These days a big single shock with a remote reservoir would be used instead.

Doubling up for twice the damping should work work though. Another option would be to put a thicker viscosity oil into a twin-tube shock:

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/can-you-upgrade-your-dampers-replacing-oil-inside/

myf16n
myf16n GRM+ Memberand Reader
11/28/24 5:48 p.m.

In reply to GameboyRMH :

stafford1500
stafford1500 GRM+ Memberand Dork
11/28/24 5:58 p.m.

In reply to maschinenbau :

Doubling up with dampers will work just fine. You may even be able to simply extend existing mounting studs. The other way I have seen it done is one forward of the a-arm and one aft. I suppose you could even cobble one to run parallel to a strut if need be.

Since they are velocity driven with respect to damping, you will effectively get slower attitude transitions. That may be a drawback in some cases.

sleepyhead the buffalo
sleepyhead the buffalo GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
11/28/24 6:05 p.m.

all I know is that it's a well-known enough trick that it's specifically called out as not-allowed in several of the GridLife class rulesets

I feel like at least one challenge car in the past has done this?  mustang GL maybe?

Mugglesworth
Mugglesworth New Reader
11/28/24 6:15 p.m.

perhaps you could add a link to the control arm and body to amplify the force

 

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
11/28/24 6:35 p.m.

Somebody help me understand...

 

Do shocks get stiffer, or springs?

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UltimaDork
11/28/24 6:45 p.m.
sleepyhead the buffalo said:

all I know is that it's a well-known enough trick that it's specifically called out as not-allowed in several of the GridLife class rulesets

I feel like at least one challenge car in the past has done this?  mustang GL maybe?

IIRC some Fox body Mustangs had four rear shocks from the factory.

L5wolvesf
L5wolvesf Dork
11/28/24 6:51 p.m.

Off road race trucks and some buggies have doubles @ 4 corners.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/28/24 7:00 p.m.

In reply to L5wolvesf :

Not so much these days but it was common around the same time sportier production pickups were getting them.

Floating Doc (Forum Supporter)
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
11/28/24 7:17 p.m.

A lot of the suspension tuning is done with the bump stops. Cheaper, easier, effective.

Recent GRM article

 

dps214
dps214 SuperDork
11/28/24 8:37 p.m.

The biggest thing would be that just doing it with some random shocks could create some very "interesting" overall damping curves. If you have some knowledge of the damper internals or are at least using pairs of the same dampers you could probably come up with something decent.

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