ojannen said:
In reply to JG Pasterjak :
The difference I see is nobody is excluded and there is a bump class everyone can run in. When I convince my rallycross buddies to run an autocross, we would love a catch-all class that fits a mr2 Spyder, base 1st gen boxster, an engine swapped Impreza, and an e36 BMW. We are probably going to end up in ssm so we can run in the same heat.
While you are fixing the exclusion list wording, take a look at Minis. The 1st gen jcw is on the exclusion list because it was a dealer installed option for a few years and the second gen GP model was limited production. A decently modded car is underweight for XS.
Yeah my latest clarification proposal allowed all the Minis into classes they're more appropriate for.
JG Pasterjak said:
dps214 said:
I know this is done and this is beating a dead horse, but I just need to say again that factory preformance range has zero bearing on any of this.
In theory, I completely agree with this, and I think the long term evolution of the class will reflect this more than the current setup. But for now, we did have to take into account the kind of cars that currently exist in the target marketplace, and provide logical ways for them to transition into the X classes if that's where they wanted to go. You just can't successfully create a class around theoretical builds which don't currently exist. Once the pointy end starts sharpening itself naturally, I think it will become more clear if any class refinement is needed.
Okay...so why are you making classing based on theoretical builds that don't exist? Nobody is ever going to build a porsche GT car anywhere close to the limit of the rules, and the fact that the GT cars exist has zero effect on the performance potential of the base cars. Kick the GT cars and similar high performance trims to XS if you feel you need to, but there's absolutely no reason to punish the base cars just because the factory happened to build a good version.
Alright at my very small local events we have some of these edge case Xtreme class cars
is this correct??
my ND2 STR prep plus supercharger ==== XSB
my old NB2 STR prep plus supercharger ==XSB
NA with turbo trans swap and STR prep ==XSA
NC with V8 not gonna meet the XSS min therefore ===XSB
NC GT PRHT with supercharger probably not gonna meet the XSS min therefore= XSB
2018 Focus RS limited STU prep========XSA
Lotus elise supercharged plus mods ==SSM or could ballast up to XSB
I'm the one who's usually asked about the rules and I just saw the most recent change so want to get some feedback as to if this is correct
what are the chances an NC with weight added is going to meet the XSS minimum weight?
especially that hard top?
