Texas shipping customers Cybertrucks. .

I'm honestly the best use-case for a Cybertruck; I want my electrics but I also want to tow and haul dumb crap as needed. Had Ford had any supply during COVID I would have grabbed a hybrid Maverick instead. The aggression factor is also a big deal for me, the Omaha area's average driving has become markedly worse in the last 10 years.

I also am very hopeful that if the CYBERTRUCK is successful that it'll begin to bring about more "art" cars and wild experiments back to market as proof that consumers DO want interesting and unique vehicles. 

I'm with Duke, I think it looks awesome :D

Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:

Looks better as a Ford..... In any event, it better stay off my lawn!

 

looks better in the dumpster fire

In reply to frenchyd :

I know at least 4 people who have canceled their pre-orders. So I would take the pre-order number with a grain of salt. 

In reply to z31maniac :

You always have to.  At proposed rate of construction it would take over 7 years to fill. And that's assuming no additional orders get placed. 
  So  if we look at the S curve of EV acceptance demand for EV's  is rapidly going up. 
   Once people learn to get comfortable  with the whole concept of EV's then the line goes straight up.  
  This Last I heard EV acceptance in the US is 7&1/2% of new sales, slightly ahead of target  to reach 50% of market by 2028 

   If you read Kieth Tanners post today Hertz  is lowering the cost of rental because of low maintenance costs  to a lot less then a Chevy Malibu. 
      So even corporations are finding savings enough to affect their bottom line.  
   Have you seen the Pepsi Tesla semi  reports by the drivers?  That and the video of the Tesla  going up Donner pass. 

It doesn't look as radical as the earlier ones. In fact, it looks like a custom shop from the 1960s chopped the roof on a Tundra. I actually like the front end. But the bed is too short.

Jim Farily  ( CEO Ford)  says the lightening has to improve charging speed. 
  He waited 40 minutes  on a Tesla supercharger to get the trucks to 40% of capacity.  
    Numbers aren't out yet on the Cyber truck 's charging speed.  However based on Teslacars it should be a lot faster.  

In reply to frenchyd :

That's more likely a factor of the battery size. 40% of a Lightning Max battery is 100% of a Model 3 SR battery. And if he was using an older 150 kW supercharger, well, yes. It's gonna take a while.

The Cybertruck charging speed will still be limited by the ability of the supercharger to deliver power. They're limited to 250 kW right now, but the V4 units have internal wiring to handle up to 615 kW.

Mr_Asa said:

frenchyd said:

Mike (Forum Supporter) said:

Keith Tanner said:

In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :

I don't think you're the target market. We've aged out :)

But you could duplicate the wrap that's used on one of the preproduction trucks. This is not photoshop, it's been spotted by multiple people.

Every time a prototype was photographed, I'd see a pile of posts critiquing panel fit and alignment. Knowing this wrap fools nobody (is that the Roadster?!), I'm betting it's an effort to ensure social media isn't full of photos of poorly built examples before they're done figuring out how to build it. 

I don't understand people who get all excited about panel gaps.   Sandy Munro the guy who takes apart car companies  cars to critique them and help them build better cars n the future. Said those are superficial items easily corrected. 
    It's the hidden engineering that is important.   When he inspected Tesla's he marveled at the engineering. Saying, " Tesla engineers at the speed of thought while legacy car companies engineer at the speed of committees." ( Turtle slow) 

  Things like the Gigapress that take a thousand parts and pieces and make it in one press of the Giga press.   Saving countless billions in order to build the car at a profit which so far only BYD and Tesla have been able to do.  
 That is just one example of why Tesla is the #1selling EV in the world. 
      In the End Tesla's goal is efficiency.   Why it's performance and range beats all the rest.  Why unlike many others it doesn't have battery recall's because of fires. 
 

I still don't get why people are impressed by Tesla's habit of Move-Fast-Break-Things Silicon Valley approach to things that go on public roads.

There's a reason the big manufacturers move slowly and only part of it is committees 

Moving slowly doesn't necessarily mean doing things well. Setting aside the self-driving idiocy, there's no real indication that the actual engineering is any worse at Tesla than anywhere else - they've had fewer problems with their EVs than the "real" manufacturers have and they've been relentlessly streamlining the production process.

The one thing that I find interesting about Tesla's modus operandi is the way that changes get done when they're ready, and not held back for an artificial model year change. Instead of step by step changes, you get continual improvement under the skin - and that skin doesn't change year over year because why should it?  This also means that people get the idea that the product line is "stale" because they're not seeing the annual All New! marketing push they're used to.

I hope one of my friends gets ones so I can drive in it  , 

I have not seen any around here and Space X etc is only a few miles away and that's were Cybertruck was first shown , 

Will they ever sell enough that they are on all 4 corners of an intersection ?

I am sure it happens around here wire Tesla cars .....

In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :

I don't know what you are talking about Omaha's average driving getting worse. I've only been nearly hit once this week. 

californiamilleghia said:

I hope one of my friends gets ones so I can drive in it  , 

I have not seen any around here and Space X etc is only a few miles away and that's were Cybertruck was first shown , 

Will they ever sell enough that they are on all 4 corners of an intersection ?

I am sure it happens around here wire Tesla cars .....

 

Supposedly there are 2 million + preorders.    But as of now there are supposed to be 3 types. Single motor, dual motor, and  three motor. Originally there was supposed to be a 350 range battery and a 500 mile range battery. Although I've heard nothing about the 500 mile  range version lately.  

frenchyd said:

Keith Tanner said:

In reply to frenchyd :

That's more likely a factor of the battery size. 40% of a Lightning Max battery is 100% of a Model 3 SR battery. And if he was using an older 150 kW supercharger, well, yes. It's gonna take a while.

The Cybertruck charging speed will still be limited by the ability of the supercharger to deliver power. They're limited to 250 kW right now, but the V4 units have internal wiring to handle up to 615 kW.

Thanks for repeating Tesla's charging speed. But since it was the CEO of Ford he probably was trying to duplicate his customers experience.. 

But the numbers don't add up. Even with the max rate of 150 kW, the Lightning should have been well past 40% after 40 minutes. Starting at 0, it should have been up to 60% based on these tests. 
https://insideevs.com/news/615115/ford-f150-lightning-charging-analysis/

Maybe he was plugged into one of the 65 kW "urban" superchargers intended for shopping malls. 

 But it's always going to take a longer time to fill one of these mega truck batteries. That's unavoidable regardless of whose badge is on the nose.

GIRTHQUAKE said:

I'm honestly the best use-case for a Cybertruck; I want my electrics but I also want to tow and haul dumb crap as needed. Had Ford had any supply during COVID I would have grabbed a hybrid Maverick instead. The aggression factor is also a big deal for me, the Omaha area's average driving has become markedly worse in the last 10 years.

I also am very hopeful that if the CYBERTRUCK is successful that it'll begin to bring about more "art" cars and wild experiments back to market as proof that consumers DO want interesting and unique vehicles. 

I'm with Duke, I think it looks awesome :D

 You really hit the nail on the head with your statement,  Customers do want variety.
  I'm too old a Geezer to be comfortable with anything but curves.  ( Jaguar XKE kinda curves)   But I understand the concept.  
   If one of those cyber trucks found it's way into my driveway I'd get out my buffer and get that stainless steel looking like a chrome bumper.  Then I'd clear wrap it so I don't have to polish it every week. 
       As far as hauling. The cyber truck has the biggest EV. Bed (6&1/2 ft compared to Fords  5&1.2 and Chevy's 4&1/2 )  plus the most load capacity (Chevy?) 

   If that 500 mile version is actually available.  I suspect it will do more than Fords 100 mile range. I suppose it depends more on the amount of air it has to push.  An open trailer with a Miata ?  Maybe 250 miles +?   Plus  the new series 4 Tesla  superchargers  should make short work of adding range back in 

Keith Tanner said:

In reply to frenchyd :

That's more likely a factor of the battery size. 40% of a Lightning Max battery is 100% of a Model 3 SR battery. And if he was using an older 150 kW supercharger, well, yes. It's gonna take a while.

The Cybertruck charging speed will still be limited by the ability of the supercharger to deliver power. They're limited to 250 kW right now, but the V4 units have internal wiring to handle up to 615 kW.

Is Ford  or other EV's limited to how fast the vehicle can accept charge?  

frenchyd said:

Keith Tanner said:

In reply to frenchyd :

That's more likely a factor of the battery size. 40% of a Lightning Max battery is 100% of a Model 3 SR battery. And if he was using an older 150 kW supercharger, well, yes. It's gonna take a while.

The Cybertruck charging speed will still be limited by the ability of the supercharger to deliver power. They're limited to 250 kW right now, but the V4 units have internal wiring to handle up to 615 kW.

Is Ford  or other EV's limited to how fast the vehicle can accept charge?  

All batteries are.

The Cybertruck may or may not be able to attain charging levels faster than 250 kW, but it will never be able to reach more than that plugged into a V2 or V3 Supercharger. On a V1, it will be limited to 150. On an urban Supercharger, 65. 

You can plug a Model 3 Tesla into a 350 kW CCS charger and it will max out at 250 because that's the fastest the battery can accept a charge. If you plug it into a 65 kW charger, it will max out at 65 because that's the most the charger can deliver.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

I guess I put that question wrong. 
   If I plug a Chevy Bolt into a 350 KW charger it can't charge at 350 or even 150 KW if I remember the Bolt's literature correctly.  
  Is the Lightening limited to a less than 150 KW charge rate?   Is that why it took 40 minutes to reach 40% of charge?  
Or maybe it takes more time to go from 0% up?  Than it takes  to go from say 40% up to 80%?  
 I know that as batteries approach full charge the rate they accept charge slows down, correct?  

In reply to frenchyd :

The Farley story is bullE36 M3, as it was reported here. A Lightning will charge at 150 kW (actually slightly higher on initial charge if you read the link I posted earlier). But after 40 minutes of that, it will be well above 40%. Here's the graph for those who don't want to read the link. 

So "only at 40% after 40 minutes of charging" is either a lie OR the truck wasn't plugged into a charger that can deliver 150 kW. I have detailed three types of Supercharger, one of those is not able to deliver 150 kW.

Now, if it had started at 50% and he was trying to get to 100%, yes. You can see in the graph how the charge rate basically collapses as it gets above 80%. But that's not the statement quoted. I don't care enough to try to track down the original. 

The Bolt can charge at 50 or 55kW max. The next gen one on the Ultium platform will be considerably faster. 

In reply to Keith Tanner :

What can I say?  It was clearly Jim Farley.  Those words came from him.  
 I accept that it could have been he slower Charger. But that's not what he claimed. 
   I'll give him credit for actually trying the truck to see for himself  what all the complaining was about.  
   I hope he does improve the charge rate. I'd like Ford and Chevy both to improve their EV's.  Could the Ford batteries make that much of a difference?   
  Every day there is some claim of improvement. Some chemical combination that allows near  instant charging  and a great improvement in range.   Sometimes by industry leading companies like CATL   

supposedly the new Tesla model 3 Highlander  is supposed to have such a battery. 
      

Yes, he did claim it was a slow speed charger.

"Farley was specifically referring to his recent charging experience where he had to use a "low-speed" charger at a popular charging location near the Harris Ranch Inn in Coalinga, California.

Specifically, Farley chose a lower speed charger because it was the first available one he was able to plug into the F-150, due to all of the fast chargers being occupied. The truck spent 40 minutes at the station only to receive a 40% charge."

Link to story

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In reply to Schmidlap :

Interesting. Harris Park is the largest Supercharger cluster in the world (or it was a year ago, I'm not sure if there's been another since). It was actually the site of the OG Supercharger. It's not exactly an out-of-the-way spot, there are nearly 100 plugs that all have 250 kW power levels. But that story doesn't say anything about him actually plugging into a Supercharger.

If his Lightning wasn't set up with the NACS plug, then he would have had to use an EA station at the same place. Compared to the 98 Tesla chargers at Harris Ranch, there are 11 EA CCS plugs ranging from 150 to 350 kW.  The charge time numbers don't make sense for a Level 2, so he must have been on one of those 11 plugs.

Based on his comments, it's like he doesn't understand that his truck is limited to 150 kW regardless of the charger - there's a quote later about the "high speed" experience at a 350 kW charger, but as discussed the truck won't charge any faster there than it would have on an 150 kW. The article also says "The truck spent 40 minutes at the station only to receive a 40% charge".

So I'm assuming he plugged into a 150 kW charger and either had to share power with another plug on the same post (I don't know if 150 kW EA is wired up this way, the EA 350 kW and some of the old 150 kW Superchargers are) so he only got 75 kW - or he took the truck from 50% to 90% or so, which would take about 40 minutes. It's also possible he rolled up with a battery that wasn't preconditioned so it took a while to get up to temp and couldn't charge quickly until then. 

This tells us a few things. One, it illustrates the difference between the reach of the Tesla and the EA network and that may have been a strong impetus for Ford to jump ship. It may have been this very experience that added a lot of CEO pressure to it, seeing 11 plugs compared to 98 next door. Two, it shows that you do need to know a few things about how charging works - what a "balanced" charger (EA's term) means and how battery temp and state of charge affect charge rates. Three, you have to be careful of the telephone game, where information gets munched as it's passed around both in blog reposts and forum statements. The following interpretation of the story is wrong on several counts and leaves out considerable information.

He waited 40 minutes  on a Tesla supercharger to get the trucks to 40% of capacity.  

Thank you for the clarification.  Your comments make a lot of sense now.  

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44937760/tesla-cybertruck-nearing-production/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_cdb&utm_medium=email&date=083123&utm_campaign=nl32530450&GID=0833c09e211b5d9c44dee15661a53e617c125f068e75980f0c3fd783a8fba3a3sha256%28email%29%7D&utm_term=TEST-%20NEW%20TEST%20-%20Sending%20List%20-%20AM%20180D%20Clicks%2C%20NON%20AM%2090D%20Opens%2C%20Both%20Subbed%20Last%2030D