The F150 EV Lightning thread

californiamilleghia said:

What is the best charging miles per minute with the chargers that are out there now ?

Do you think they will build a Hybrid F150 ?

The fastest chargers can do over 100 miles of range in 15 min or less, but it's dependent on the vehicle that's hooked up too. Fast charging creates lots of heat, and most manufacturers will restrict charging rates depending on the battery conditions. Miles/minute is a convenient unit, but most EV manufacturers avoid that and say something like "can charge from 20% capacity to 80% capacity in 15 minutes". 

The standard hybrid F150 is on sale now. It's not a plug in so it has very limited all electric range, and they went more for power than all out efficiency, but it's still the most efficient F150 you can buy.

I'm interested. I'll buy an electic car in the next few years, I just need to have one that pulls me in. This might be it. 

I didn't know about the nose-gate, but I love it.  Makes perfect sense.

In reply to TVR Scott :

I was just about to ask if we could start working on a name for the front gate that doesn't imply being at the rear. Thank you.

Looks like a winner to me. They're calling it the power frunk lol

9.6kW of inverter power with plugs all over, can also act as your back-up power source for your house. 230 mile range, 300 Mile extended range, 4 x 4, independent suspension, starts at $39k!

Yep it's official. Very compelling package. I didn't see a towing capacity or range number printed though.

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/

Jalopnik says 10k towing 2k payload basically the same as the normal f150. I have to imagine that with 10k of trailer in tow, that 300 mile range becomes maybe 100 if you're lucky.

It has a front trunk, that makes it basically a porsche, I think that means I'm compelled to own one.

In reply to maschinenbau :

230 miles standard battery/ 300 extended range battery

10K lbs max tow

2000 lbs payload standard battery/ 1800 lbs extended range battery

As a HVAC contractor , I'm particularly interested in the inevitable vans to be built on the platform. A 300 mile range would cover the needs of our entire 8 vehicle fleet shy of our diesel flatbed. You can keep all your standard luxury crud that they add onto trucks to make the interiors seem more carlike. I just want massive torque and a cavernous interior with low maintenance costs. I'd pay $45K for one tomorrow. 

I'm excited for this, though starting price in Canada is $68,000 (about $56K US).  The Ford US site lists a "commercial oriented truck" trim level below the XLT trim that the Canadian site doesn't, I assume that's why the starting price is so much higher here.

Regardless, this looks like it could be a really fun truck.  0-60 in the mid 4s, four wheel independent suspension, full time 4wd, it only has the supercrew configuration right now though, so my hope for a 2 door, short bed version will have to wait.

Speaking of weight, I wonder how heavy this will be.  GM says the Hummer is going to be 9000lb+, I doubt this will be anywhere close.

Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:

As a HVAC contractor , I'm particularly interested in the inevitable vans to be built on the platform. A 300 mile range would cover the needs of our entire 8 vehicle fleet shy of our diesel flatbed. You can keep all your standard luxury crud that they add onto trucks to make the interiors seem more carlike. I just want massive torque and a cavernous interior with low maintenance costs. I'd pay $45K for one tomorrow. 

They announced and showed a a full sized E-Transit in the reveal livestream so it's coming soon.

Commercial base truck starts at $39974 USD

84FSP said:

In reply to TVR Scott :

The front end will have a fully functional storage "frunk" area as I've been working on that design a bit in polymer.  Should be a very usable space given the dimensions.

It would be nice if they just dropped the hood level down for better visibility, as opposed to most pickups these days whose hoods are up to my shoulder (I'm 6' tall). 

I feel like this is a great idea for the great majority of pickup buyers who just use them to commute (at least in this area) and drive locally. My large vehicle (curently a Sequoia) is mostly just used for long-distance towing of the racecar, so looks like I'm going to be sticking with ICE for many more years unless the range of electric towing-size vehicles increases drastically. When making a haul 500-600 miles to a race while towing, having to stop 3 or 4 times and charge for half an hour isn't really what I want to do (and the fact that most rally events are in the middle of nowhere doesn't bode well for appropriate charging infrastructure at the moment). 

adam525i said:starts at $39k!

wat

adam525i said:

Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:

As a HVAC contractor , I'm particularly interested in the inevitable vans to be built on the platform. A 300 mile range would cover the needs of our entire 8 vehicle fleet shy of our diesel flatbed. You can keep all your standard luxury crud that they add onto trucks to make the interiors seem more carlike. I just want massive torque and a cavernous interior with low maintenance costs. I'd pay $45K for one tomorrow. 

They announced and showed a a full sized E-Transit in the reveal livestream so it's coming soon.

The moment when Pete accepts truck ownership.

I mean, I would prefer a sedan version of the C-Max, but I couldn't really get behind a car called the C-Min.

adam525i said:

 

They announced and showed a a full sized E-Transit in the reveal livestream so it's coming soon.

Yeah, I just looked it up. The good news is $45K. The bad news is 125 mile range. Take 1000+ lbs of tools, material and outfitting, add hills equals range anxiety. I'm sure that they'll make an extended range version but I'm not sure that I want to pay $55K for it - especially after the fed yanks the tax break. I can still buy a retired Hertz ICE van with under 10k miles on it for low $20Ks. The difference between that and $55K pays for a lot of gas and maintenance.

I put a reservation in. Took forever the Ford site kept crashing.

adam525i said:

Tracks should already be thinking about this with the number of Tesla's out there and how remote they can be. Little old Toronto Motorsports Park has a free Level 2 charger available for spectators, drag racers and anyone using the road course. I'm guessing the free part will go away when tow vehicles start plugging in!

One thing in common for every race track I've ever been to -- they never have any spare money. :)

A thought - 

Since EVs can recapture energy while braking, does a heavy load really mean a significant loss of range? An ICE does a bunch of work to accelerate a mass and then the brakes turn all that energy into heat and throw it away. An EV gets some of it back - and the more the thing weighs, the more it can get back. It's probably limited by the rate at which the batteries can accept the power. So driving around town with a big load may not result in a big range loss.

Towing, you've got drag. Drag sucks.

At $39k, Ford is banking on the price of batteries to keep falling. Internet commentators seem to think there's some magic chemistry on the horizon that will give a step change, but the price per KWh for EV batteries has decreased by an order of magnitude in the last decade while you weren't paying attention. I'll bet Ford is betting big on that to continue and are willing to grab the market at a low margin in the meantime.

In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :

There is a Transit Electric it's a Future Vehicle that's been on the web site for a few months.

I watched the live reveal. I'm a probably a buyer in about 5 years when my current F150 gets older. I'm really impressed.  Faster than my Mustang 0-60, independent rear sus surprised me (but I get it) the starting price floored me, and the frunk looks awesome. 300 mile range is great but I'm very interested in towing range too. The bar it has to clear for me is tow a 2500lb boat 150 miles and be able to charge enough on a 110v outlet to make the same trip back after the weekend. 
 

Im told Ford has a patent on a removable generator unit that basically looks like a truck bed tool box. Think about that for a minute. 
 

they mentioned a Ford charging network.. is something they're already doing or is it a new think?

Welp, I want it. Very curious to see what kind of features/content the base model has. I don't need lots of frills, but pretty much every other EV or PHEV has seat heaters so the driver can avoid using less efficient HVAC systems. It would be interesting to see if they incorporate similar features in the base model. It kind of sounds like that's unlikely but time will tell. Either way, $40k before tax incentives is a heck of a starting price for a crew cab half ton 4WD EV with adequate range.

ultraclyde said: 
they mentioned a Ford charging network.. is something they're already doing or is it a new think?

Ford has partnered with VW's Electrify America charging network, so that's probably what they're referencing but the only proprietary charging network is Tesla's. So you'd be able to charge a Ford EV at any charger other than a Tesla Supercharger.