The most “bleh” ive seen today...

In reply to RevRico :

Definitely not the same car yet somehow I am not surprised.

As horrible as that is, I bet he has a ton of dough in it.

I just never understood why this is considered attractive by some? Let alone why people pay good money to make their car handle worse?

GameboyRMH said:

Those things we're seeing that look like the outer faces of the wheel just can't be. I don't see how the tires could stay on. They must be some extension piece that just mimics the look of it, like my Phat Lips idea.

If you look closely, there seems to be another lip about 1"inboard of the obvious one, for the tire bead to seat against.

Fueled by Caffeine said:

why rear so much wider than front?

It's a stancebro thing.  I've seen FWD cars with similar setups - much wider on the rears. 

paranoid_android said:

Am I the the only one left wondering why the car top carrier is on there?

That seems to be a German-car-stancebro thing.  They started out putting clamp-on roof racks on everything.  Now they add the carriers.  It's probably empty 98% of the time, and on the car 99% of the time.

Have any of you ever talked with people that do this kind of car modding?  They are car people.  Probably more so than most of us on this board.  They live, breath, eat, and drink cars.  There are whole car clubs based only on appearance / stance.  It is about there car vision, friends and having fun together.  I actually took the time to introduce my self to a couple of the "stance" car owners at a local car show.  The amount of work, time effort and $$$$ into these cars is amazing.  There attention to detail, coordination and references back to the JDM culture is way more complicated than I ever knew about.  Is it for everyone?  Nope.  Are they car people?  Absolutely!!  Instead of bashing it try getting to know the people that are doing things that are out of your comfort zone.  Go in with an open mind and you will definitely gain an understanding and some appreciation for it and you may even make a new friend or two.

The people you just described are part of why I don't go to "shows" or "Cars and Coffee" type events anymore.

Around here those guys are douche canoes, with flat bill hats, BC coilovers, ill-fitting wheels, and just a general "Dang bro, don't be a hater on my build, bro" attitude that enrages me with the fire of 1,000 suns. Sorry bro, coilovers and wheels isn't a "build."

These guys literally stand around and watch each other pull into parking lots, film it, and go crazy when someone scrapes their bumper and still makes it in to the lot.

Now get off my lawn. 

In reply to z31maniac :

At least they are out with cars not sitting at computers complaining about what others do.     

I’m with Dean on this one. I’d hate for anyone to have seen my way-lifted 4x4’s and tell me I’m not an enthusiast.

Pheonix89 said:

I just never understood why this is considered attractive by some? Let alone why people pay good money to make their car handle worse?

I can't speak for every car as some are very poorly constructed and people have different ideas of what looks right.

But in general the stance aesthetic makes sense. Lower ride height is generally aesthetically pleasing and usually sacrificed for things like ride quality or protection from rough roads. Excessive camber is just a classic cartoonist trick. Taking a shape or angle to an extreme. A sort of caricature.

All this is only relevant to people who prioritize visual aesthetic over practicality, as many people do. Some take it further than others.

I’m ok with people doing stupid E36 M3, I just don’t want it to cost lives or tax dollars. Use the airbags and make it scrape entering the show, but don’t fling bolts and sparks at my precious ride because you want dangerous camber and “mad ‘spect, YO!”

dean1484 said:

In reply to z31maniac :

At least they are out with cars not sitting at computers complaining about what others do.     

 

Or complaining about people complaining. 

ebonyandivory said:

I’m with Dean on this one. I’d hate for anyone to have seen my way-lifted 4x4’s and tell me I’m not an enthusiast.

I didn't say they weren't enthusiasts, I just think stance is lame. You and dean don't, isn't great we all don't like the same things?

Back when it was still "Hellaflush," ie, slight stretch on the tires, wheels flush with the outer fender lips, normal camber..........yeah, I dug that big time. Like an OEM+ kind of look.

For example, you may not like his color choices, but this is the old school flush look that I like.

Or this one from back in the day. I still remember the wheel/spacer specs, tire size to get this look.

I always considered "stance" to be a caricature of what fast cars like DTM or Australian Super Cars looked like. "Wide wheels good? Yes! Wider is better!  Look at those flares! I can flare better than that! They have negative camber! Now I have ALL the camber!!" 

Do i think it's silly and counter-productive? Sure. But, look at all the "wanna be" drag cars of the late 60s/70s, with their flipped spring shackles, air shocks, and skinny front tires. 

Some people can't make fast cars, so they go too far with fast looks. 

paranoid_android said:

Am I the the only one left wondering why the car top carrier is on there?

 

I knew a guy (with a Golf) who kept a bike on his roof that he never rode just for the look of it

 

paranoid_android said:

Am I the the only one left wondering why the car top carrier is on there?

That seems to be a German-car-stancebro thing.  They started out putting clamp-on roof racks on everything.  Now they add the carriers.  It's probably empty 98% of the time, and on the car 99% of the time.

No kidding, I didn’t know that.  It looked completely out of place to me.

I definitely recall the roof racks in the air cooled VW scene.

I have never driven a stance bro car so I don't know how bad they are but they sure look sketchy but I know in high school my Dodge Cornet with N50-15's and air shocks was a handful

Regarding their 'danger' to others on the road, I wouldn't be surprised if they can still out maneuver and out brake most trucks...Let alone lifted 4x4's.

z31maniac said:

dean1484 said:

In reply to z31maniac :

At least they are out with cars not sitting at computers complaining about what others do.     

 

Or complaining about people complaining. 

I am guilty of doing both of these. LOL. 

Driven5 said:

Regarding their 'danger' to others on the road, I wouldn't be surprised if they can still out maneuver and out brake most trucks...Let alone lifted 4x4's.

This thing isn't out handling a school bus.

I just really hope that, as this scene begins fading, all of these high quality ultra wide wheels start hitting the market at nice affordable prices.  Remove stretched 195s, apply 3xx wide sticky tires, install on actual performance car.

This thread has made me relive some of my more questionable car mod decisions. 

Lead based red oxide primer that I added more lead power  to. You know because it was radar absorbent. That I then painted every square inch of my car with including the chrome.  With five coats and then for the next year as rust bled through I would just add more primer.  

Hardware cloth grills. Then thinking expanded lath for plaster work was the way to go because the angled cut of the lath I could install to enhance air flow

Using home electrical switches in my Cadillac because it was like driving on a couch anyway. 

Ya I don’t judge anymore.  

I think I was, and still am proof that a little bit of knowledge will result in some very poor car molding decisions.  

I have “fixed” far to many perfectly good running cars that then never ran right again and became so unreliable that we never took them beyond walking distance from home. 

But dam did we have fun. 

I am just glad all this was before the age of cell phones. I have plausible deniability as there is no digital record. 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:

I just really hope that, as this scene begins fading, all of these high quality ultra wide wheels start hitting the market at nice affordable prices.  Remove stretched 195s, apply 3xx wide sticky tires, install on actual performance car.

The problem will be making them fit on anything. The wheels on that BRZ are likely 10.5-11" wide, to fit with real tires and proper amounts of camber would take some big flares. 

The twins can already fit 9.5" wide wheels and 255 wide-sticky tires without even rolling the fenders.

It's function following form. Not my cup of tea. I'm a "form follows function" type. I think when something functions well it's usually attractive in some way, except helicopters. They're ugly and I ain't flying in one.