triton v10 swap into a stand alone setting?

i have been googling for hours over the course of a few days trying to figure this out.

i have a line on a $300 "ran when we cut it up" donor and a $750 OBO running and driving donor vans of 2v ford v10 engines.

has anyone successfully pruned a harness to make one stand alone without ABS computers and rear axle tone rings and other associated trash and had the engine and trans work properly? if they have, they're keeping the how-to close to the vest.

i'm itching to stick a v10 or v12 in something. i've done the LS swap thing multiple times and managed to squeeze one under challenge budget. i know i should stick with what i know, but that's easy to fall back on if other stuff doesnt work out. i know i can get a rusted out 5.3 donor for $500 pretty much any week and prune the harness and hit it with hptuners and be standalone and running.

I wonder how good those can sound with the right tuning intake and exhaust. I now am imagining a hillbilly LFA. Mmmm

Triton V-10 is a lot of work for 300 hp. But given that it's really nothing but a 5.4 with two extra cylinders, I'm surprised to hear the electronics are a problem.

300hp but all the torques. So many. And i like different.

I have to agree, the V10 is pretty much a dead end, it's a low specific output engine, good for an overloaded van where it'll be pulling hard for most of its life, but not a real good swap candidate. Plus I don't think anybody makes anything for it.

It SHOULD work fine with nothing connected to it, although you may have to do some immobilizer jiggery-pokery. I checked, and you probably did too, HPTuners only does '05-up Super Duty V10s.

Megasquirt could control it, although it would have to have a crankwheel divisible by five. All other Mod motors have 36-1 wheels, I have never torn that deep into a V10 to know what crankwheel it has. That can be DEALT with but it's still more hassle if it does need dealt with.

Alternatively, if you can figure out how to get a Bosch distributor mounted on each camshaft, you could use Audi 5-cylinder bits to drive each bank off of its own distributor then figure something else out for fuel. Or you could be a complete weirdo and run an Audi's CIS injection on each bank. Be like a Jag V12 with the manifolding spilling out to the sides.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nDkwrH2O0Nc

Seems this is what they sound like with everything after the cat cut off with the stock manifolds and Y-pipe.

Always seemed like this engine's only redeeming characteristic to me.

Knurled wrote: I have to agree, the V10 is pretty much a dead end, it's a low specific output engine, good for an overloaded van where it'll be pulling hard for most of its life, but not a real good swap candidate. Plus I don't think anybody makes anything for it. It SHOULD work fine with nothing connected to it, although you may have to do some immobilizer jiggery-pokery. I checked, and you probably did too, HPTuners only does '05-up Super Duty V10s. Megasquirt could control it, although it would have to have a crankwheel divisible by five. All other Mod motors have 36-1 wheels, I have never torn that deep into a V10 to know what crankwheel it has. That can be DEALT with but it's still more hassle if it does need dealt with. Alternatively, if you can figure out how to get a Bosch distributor mounted on each camshaft, you could use Audi 5-cylinder bits to drive each bank off of its own distributor then figure something else out for fuel. Or you could be a complete weirdo and run an Audi's CIS injection on each bank. Be like a Jag V12 with the manifolding spilling out to the sides.

Thats about what ive found, which is putting the idea out to pasture.

The ram v10 is stupid heavy, due to iron heads. So thats not even a consideration.

Unless i can find some kind of v12 luxobarge, this may be dead in the water

I doubt you'll find an "off the shelf" option that is so in depth for such a specific application. Your best bet is probably contacting people that tune the Triton on regular basis to see if they'd be willing/able to go to the lengths you want to go to in a custom tune.

These guys have a good rep within the Triton community and use standard SCT software:

http://5startuning.com/got-a-v10-6-8l/

Once you've got the computer programmed properly, you should be able to cull the unused stuff out of the wiring harness.

Lots of displacement=lots of room for boost.

Didn't somebody swap a V10 into a new Mustang about 15 years ago? It has to possible.

mblommel wrote: Didn't somebody swap a V10 into a new Mustang about 15 years ago? It has to possible.

There was a company that was going to make kits to put them into classic Mustangs. They made one car and then went out of business. Tucci Hot Rod's also had a '49 Mercury with the Triton V10 that was there the summer I was an intern. I can't remember if they built it, or if someone else had built the car and they had just touched it up. So, yes, it is possible. But, like others have said, not that great an engine overall.

Took a few trips in college in rental 15 passenger vans. One was a E250 V10 (3 valve, I thought) and the other was a 5.3 Express 2500 on one of the trips. Head to head drag up to the 65 mph, the V10 pulled a length off the line and, but as soon as the 5.3 got out of first gear and up in the rev range, it pulled on the V10 and ended up about a length ahead. Seems like the LS based motors are just a better option if you're between those two engines. The v10 felt strong in some situations, but also felt like half the power was disappearing somewhere between the flywheel and the rear tires.

MrJoshua wrote: Lots of displacement=lots of room for boost.

And off the shelf 5.4 forged guts go in.

In reply to patgizz:

Pat, since you mentioned being open to V12s, the Jag is the relatively easy button here. They come already attached to a GM th400 (some of the last V12s also had the OD trans). They have been megasquirted, and I think Ford EDIS ignition has been adapted to them as well.

Supposedly the early pre-HE combustion chamber engines really like boost too.

A few months ago I posted a stalled XJS restoration project from my local CL that had an asking price of $350.

Knurled wrote: Megasquirt could control it, although it would have to have a crankwheel divisible by five. All other Mod motors have 36-1 wheels, I have never torn that deep into a V10 to know what crankwheel it has...

It's a 40-1, unlike any other Ford motor. Apparently Ford's ECUs had similar rules about crank teeth. You wouldn't be the first person to MegaSquirt one of these if you tried it; this has been done before.

Knurled wrote: Alternatively, if you can figure out how to get a Bosch distributor mounted on each camshaft, you could use Audi 5-cylinder bits to drive each bank off of its own distributor then figure something else out for fuel. Or you could be a complete weirdo and run an Audi's CIS injection on each bank. Be like a Jag V12 with the manifolding spilling out to the sides.

Two distributors, five two barrel carbs and zoomie headers would look cool in a T-bucket.

patgizz wrote:

Knurled wrote: I have to agree, the V10 is pretty much a dead end, it's a low specific output engine, good for an overloaded van where it'll be pulling hard for most of its life, but not a real good swap candidate. Plus I don't think anybody makes anything for it. It SHOULD work fine with nothing connected to it, although you may have to do some immobilizer jiggery-pokery. I checked, and you probably did too, HPTuners only does '05-up Super Duty V10s. Megasquirt could control it, although it would have to have a crankwheel divisible by five. All other Mod motors have 36-1 wheels, I have never torn that deep into a V10 to know what crankwheel it has. That can be DEALT with but it's still more hassle if it does need dealt with. Alternatively, if you can figure out how to get a Bosch distributor mounted on each camshaft, you could use Audi 5-cylinder bits to drive each bank off of its own distributor then figure something else out for fuel. Or you could be a complete weirdo and run an Audi's CIS injection on each bank. Be like a Jag V12 with the manifolding spilling out to the sides.

Thats about what ive found, which is putting the idea out to pasture. The ram v10 is stupid heavy, due to iron heads. So thats not even a consideration. Unless i can find some kind of v12 luxobarge, this may be dead in the water

BMW v12s should be getting cheap, yes?

V10 ford needs turbos.

I may know someone who can build you an MS to run this thing.

Here's his thread on a forum. So far, everyone loves his MS systems (including myself). I know he has done a Toyota v12 (1GZ-FE ) in a Porsche 928. And currently just helped get a twin turbo Toyota v12 in a supra running for the next Fast and Furious movie. I have his number, if you're interested.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: V10 ford needs turbos.

That would be like a pair of 3.4l Audis. Neat.

Pat, you got mail.

In reply to yupididit :

can you message me I need this guys info for the megasquirt board

what about the LSV12?

8 year old resurrection.  So you know.