This is a video from Delicious Tuning, one of the reputable tuners for this platform.
Car brought in had an intake, header, exhaust. When switched over to E85, the car is consistently putting down 244-246whp, with more than 200wtq.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CnnmdmLBM78/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D
However, I emailed Ecutek a while back regarding the infamous "flash counter." That does exactly what you think, even if you flashed the 1st gen cars back to stock, the dealer could still see that the ECU has been flashed. This is the info on the flash counter, and constant link with Subaru HQ, directly from them.
are you getting the upgrades?
Is your OKC dealer saavy enough to detect ?
how has been the sale rate of the new platform? I never see any on the road in so cal. Old platform - we used to see a lot more of
In reply to mr2s2000elise :
I've got the coilovers/wheels/tires and catback on. Still need to get the GR ducktail installed.
I haven't decided if I want to go header and E85 since, as mentioned by Ecutek, there is a separate telemetry module that is in constant contact with Subaru HQ. Just last week I received an email, "The health of your '23 BRZ is good with 921 miles. Can we schedule your first complimentary 6 month/6k mile service for you?"
And yes, they are. I forgot I left the tune in when I took my first gen in for a crunchy 3rd gear. Subaru NA denied any help and logged in the system that any drivetrain claims would not be honored because of the prescence of the tune.
The ducktail really looks good. Ah well if you have had issues with your dealer previously, that seems to be the answer right there.
Could you buy a replacement ECU and whatever the telemetry doodad is and swap them back and forth? No saying that's honest in any way, but it is a workaround. Or does the VIN need to match, etc..?
Has anyone tried cutting power to the starlink module to see what the result is? It is a subscription service too right?
Looks like it uses the onboard 4G LTE connection for processing OTA updates for the infotainment and sending vehicle information back to the Subaru mothership.
Hopefully its not like the Ford one that wipes out all your radio favorites, seat settings, and so on anytime an OTA update is pushed to the car.
Is it possible to disconnect, depower, or otherwise defeat the telemetry module?
You can pretty much count on your warranty being voided with any aftermarket tune being applied. To think otherwise is naive.
DirtyBird222 said:
Looks like it uses the onboard 4G LTE connection for processing OTA updates for the infotainment and sending vehicle information back to the Subaru mothership.
Hopefully its not like the Ford one that wipes out all your radio favorites, seat settings, and so on anytime an OTA update is pushed to the car.
Yup all my new Toyotas have it. However, the radio/seat settings haven't been interrupted a single time since 2018, when we got the first Toyota that had all the app based features that talks to the mother ship. My favorite is closing sunroof or remote starting from from 100s of miles away.
mr2s2000elise said:
DirtyBird222 said:
Looks like it uses the onboard 4G LTE connection for processing OTA updates for the infotainment and sending vehicle information back to the Subaru mothership.
Hopefully its not like the Ford one that wipes out all your radio favorites, seat settings, and so on anytime an OTA update is pushed to the car.
Yup all my new Toyotas have it. However, the radio/seat settings haven't been interrupted a single time since 2018, when we got the first Toyota that had all the app based features that talks to the mother ship. My favorite is closing sunroof or remote starting from from 100s of miles away.
The stuff is very convenient. Sounds like Toyota actually tests their stuff out prior to pushing updates. The Hyundai app was really nice too. It is another potential vector for your car, your info, etc to be stolen however.
When I was a tech, I would never deny warranty claims if someone had a modified car. Especially if the affected part had nothing to do with the modifications. There were always outliers such as when the customer was a butthead. Lots of techs are narcs though so.
DirtyBird222 said:
Looks like it uses the onboard 4G LTE connection for processing OTA updates for the infotainment and sending vehicle information back to the Subaru mothership.
Hopefully its not like the Ford one that wipes out all your radio favorites, seat settings, and so on anytime an OTA update is pushed to the car.
That E36 M3 pisses me off enough on a $200 laptop. If I had a $40k car that did that, there would be shrieking chimpanzee ragecalls to Subaru HQ.
Faraday cage garage stall?
DirtyBird222 said:
mr2s2000elise said:
DirtyBird222 said:
Looks like it uses the onboard 4G LTE connection for processing OTA updates for the infotainment and sending vehicle information back to the Subaru mothership.
Hopefully its not like the Ford one that wipes out all your radio favorites, seat settings, and so on anytime an OTA update is pushed to the car.
Yup all my new Toyotas have it. However, the radio/seat settings haven't been interrupted a single time since 2018, when we got the first Toyota that had all the app based features that talks to the mother ship. My favorite is closing sunroof or remote starting from from 100s of miles away.
The stuff is very convenient. Sounds like Toyota actually tests their stuff out prior to pushing updates. The Hyundai app was really nice too. It is another potential vector for your car, your info, etc to be stolen however.
When I was a tech, I would never deny warranty claims if someone had a modified car. Especially if the affected part had nothing to do with the modifications. There were always outliers such as when the customer was a butthead. Lots of techs are narcs though so.
That's actually the law :)
If you up your engine power and your transmission fails, well, Subaru would be justified in denying a warranty claim because the transmission was engineered for stock power level. If you up the power and the radio fails, not so much. So this needs to be accepted by the modifier.
amg_rx7 (Forum Supporter) said:
You can pretty much count on your warranty being voided with any aftermarket tune being applied. To think otherwise is naive.
Yes, I'm aware of that. It's about trying to be sneaky, nothing more. That's why I asked Ecutek about the flash counter. This is why things like burger tuning boxes are so popular on BMW platforms. Plug the box in, tune, enjoy. Need to go to the dealer, unplug box, and it's back to stock.
Keith Tanner said:
DirtyBird222 said:
mr2s2000elise said:
DirtyBird222 said:
Looks like it uses the onboard 4G LTE connection for processing OTA updates for the infotainment and sending vehicle information back to the Subaru mothership.
Hopefully its not like the Ford one that wipes out all your radio favorites, seat settings, and so on anytime an OTA update is pushed to the car.
Yup all my new Toyotas have it. However, the radio/seat settings haven't been interrupted a single time since 2018, when we got the first Toyota that had all the app based features that talks to the mother ship. My favorite is closing sunroof or remote starting from from 100s of miles away.
The stuff is very convenient. Sounds like Toyota actually tests their stuff out prior to pushing updates. The Hyundai app was really nice too. It is another potential vector for your car, your info, etc to be stolen however.
When I was a tech, I would never deny warranty claims if someone had a modified car. Especially if the affected part had nothing to do with the modifications. There were always outliers such as when the customer was a butthead. Lots of techs are narcs though so.
That's actually the law :)
If you up your engine power and your transmission fails, well, Subaru would be justified in denying a warranty claim because the transmission was engineered for stock power level. If you up the power and the radio fails, not so much. So this needs to be accepted by the modifier.
And technically a tune, or any power modification, without a CARB No runs afoul of the law because you're modifying the emissions system.
Appleseed said:
Could you buy a replacement ECU and whatever the telemetry doodad is and swap them back and forth? No saying that's honest in any way, but it is a workaround. Or does the VIN need to match, etc..?
Apparently guys figured this out on the 1st gen cars. It may be possible in the future for the 2nd gen, but whether people try to develop it that far only time will tell.
As far as the other comments about trying to defeat the telemetry module, I suspect that would be far more likely to be noticed than a tune.
For the individual, that's not a concern unless you're in a state with inspections that will care. It does mean that your vendor and all support could potentially vanish due to violations, though. Using a tune with an EO will minimize that risk.
Keith Tanner said:
DirtyBird222 said:
mr2s2000elise said:
DirtyBird222 said:
Looks like it uses the onboard 4G LTE connection for processing OTA updates for the infotainment and sending vehicle information back to the Subaru mothership.
Hopefully its not like the Ford one that wipes out all your radio favorites, seat settings, and so on anytime an OTA update is pushed to the car.
Yup all my new Toyotas have it. However, the radio/seat settings haven't been interrupted a single time since 2018, when we got the first Toyota that had all the app based features that talks to the mother ship. My favorite is closing sunroof or remote starting from from 100s of miles away.
The stuff is very convenient. Sounds like Toyota actually tests their stuff out prior to pushing updates. The Hyundai app was really nice too. It is another potential vector for your car, your info, etc to be stolen however.
When I was a tech, I would never deny warranty claims if someone had a modified car. Especially if the affected part had nothing to do with the modifications. There were always outliers such as when the customer was a butthead. Lots of techs are narcs though so.
That's actually the law :)
If you up your engine power and your transmission fails, well, Subaru would be justified in denying a warranty claim because the transmission was engineered for stock power level. If you up the power and the radio fails, not so much. So this needs to be accepted by the modifier.
Ah dealerships and lawful practices. Join me at 8:00PM CST to discuss this and other fairy tales of your liking.
DirtyBird222 said:
Keith Tanner said:
DirtyBird222 said:
mr2s2000elise said:
DirtyBird222 said:
Looks like it uses the onboard 4G LTE connection for processing OTA updates for the infotainment and sending vehicle information back to the Subaru mothership.
Hopefully its not like the Ford one that wipes out all your radio favorites, seat settings, and so on anytime an OTA update is pushed to the car.
Yup all my new Toyotas have it. However, the radio/seat settings haven't been interrupted a single time since 2018, when we got the first Toyota that had all the app based features that talks to the mother ship. My favorite is closing sunroof or remote starting from from 100s of miles away.
The stuff is very convenient. Sounds like Toyota actually tests their stuff out prior to pushing updates. The Hyundai app was really nice too. It is another potential vector for your car, your info, etc to be stolen however.
When I was a tech, I would never deny warranty claims if someone had a modified car. Especially if the affected part had nothing to do with the modifications. There were always outliers such as when the customer was a butthead. Lots of techs are narcs though so.
That's actually the law :)
If you up your engine power and your transmission fails, well, Subaru would be justified in denying a warranty claim because the transmission was engineered for stock power level. If you up the power and the radio fails, not so much. So this needs to be accepted by the modifier.
Ah dealerships and lawful practices. Join me at 8:00PM CST to discuss this and other fairy tales of your liking.
It's all about escalation.
Yea I get that - everyone should. My point being is that you better be ready for a fight or be buddies with someone on the service drive.
For the OP. Not sure how closely related the BRZ infotainment unit is to the Ascent; but, this guy did it.
https://www.ascentforums.com/threads/disabling-the-starlink-gps-tracking.10799/
DirtyBird222 said:
mr2s2000elise said:
DirtyBird222 said:
Looks like it uses the onboard 4G LTE connection for processing OTA updates for the infotainment and sending vehicle information back to the Subaru mothership.
Hopefully its not like the Ford one that wipes out all your radio favorites, seat settings, and so on anytime an OTA update is pushed to the car.
Yup all my new Toyotas have it. However, the radio/seat settings haven't been interrupted a single time since 2018, when we got the first Toyota that had all the app based features that talks to the mother ship. My favorite is closing sunroof or remote starting from from 100s of miles away.
The stuff is very convenient. Sounds like Toyota actually tests their stuff out prior to pushing updates. The Hyundai app was really nice too. It is another potential vector for your car, your info, etc to be stolen however.
When I was a tech, I would never deny warranty claims if someone had a modified car. Especially if the affected part had nothing to do with the modifications. There were always outliers such as when the customer was a butthead. Lots of techs are narcs though so.
Definitely very convenient. If you have 10 Toyotas that employees are driving, not only can you track mileage, you can track when it needs service, which is low on tire pressure, check fuel to alert another employee, or if someone leaves something unlocked. I absolutely love it for my use.
Interesting is is the "driving grade," you get. It measures acceleration, braking, hard turns. On our Tacomas - my employees often are scoring Bs and Cs, whereas if I drive it I am scoring 93-97. On the Mirais employees are scoring B+/A- most of the time.
DirtyBird222 said:
Yea I get that - everyone should. My point being is that you better be ready for a fight or be buddies with someone on the service drive.
For the OP. Not sure how closely related the BRZ infotainment unit is to the Ascent; but, this guy did it.
https://www.ascentforums.com/threads/disabling-the-starlink-gps-tracking.10799/
That's very interesting. I'm too lazy to mess with that and I suspect it would cause a whole load of other problems. The guy that posted it never came back to the thread to indicate if he had any issues.
Basically anything past I've already done, you just have to decide if you're willing to risk your warranty for some extra ponies.
mr2s2000elise said:
DirtyBird222 said:
mr2s2000elise said:
DirtyBird222 said:
Looks like it uses the onboard 4G LTE connection for processing OTA updates for the infotainment and sending vehicle information back to the Subaru mothership.
Hopefully its not like the Ford one that wipes out all your radio favorites, seat settings, and so on anytime an OTA update is pushed to the car.
Yup all my new Toyotas have it. However, the radio/seat settings haven't been interrupted a single time since 2018, when we got the first Toyota that had all the app based features that talks to the mother ship. My favorite is closing sunroof or remote starting from from 100s of miles away.
The stuff is very convenient. Sounds like Toyota actually tests their stuff out prior to pushing updates. The Hyundai app was really nice too. It is another potential vector for your car, your info, etc to be stolen however.
When I was a tech, I would never deny warranty claims if someone had a modified car. Especially if the affected part had nothing to do with the modifications. There were always outliers such as when the customer was a butthead. Lots of techs are narcs though so.
Definitely very convenient. If you have 10 Toyotas that employees are driving, not only can you track mileage, you can track when it needs service, which is low on tire pressure, check fuel to alert another employee, or if someone leaves something unlocked. I absolutely love it for my use.
Interesting is is the "driving grade," you get. It measures acceleration, braking, hard turns. On our Tacomas - my employees often are scoring Bs and Cs, whereas if I drive it I am scoring 93-97. On the Mirais employees are scoring B+/A- most of the time.
It's not creepy when you're the one doing the monitoring :) Excellent example of a good use case, though - I can see how fleet management would be much easier if you can check in on the car's status like that.
Keith Tanner said:
It's not creepy when you're the one doing the monitoring :) Excellent example of a good use case, though - I can see how fleet management would be much easier if you can check in on the car's status like that.
Absolutely! I personally, don't DD any of those vehicles which are being so closely monitored 
As AngryCorvair always says - I was tired of being the HO https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/off-topic-discussion/im-tired-of-being-the-ho/156892/page3/
