awesome!!!! nice to see a true comparison
awesome!!!! nice to see a true comparison
wow...that car is a giant killer, I don't care what you say.
(now, if only they would get rid of the stupid window in the hood)
The remarks in the comment section are quite hilarious, too. Anything from "GT-R can't be beat," "Corvette ZR-1 is more expensive (which is true, but the GT-R is supposed to "beat cars this expensive")," to "strip tthe GT-R down and it will beat the ZR-1 (which I find as the funniest stupid comment)."
Good call. I would rather take the Corvette as well, the Nissan is just too damn big and heavy.
Road and Track had a comparison a few months back between the GT-R, ZR1 and some high end Porsche (exact details I don't remember). Despite being bested in every single test besides a slightly faster lap time at whatever test track, they declared the GT-R the hands down winner. I wonder why I let my subscription lapse shortly thereafter.
the ZR-1 looked more stable thrue the slolum, the GT-R looked like it wanted to spin out... and guess which one doesn't have a recall on breaking transmisions
The Zr1 is truly one hell of an achievement. It's nice to see a US car being compared to Euro and Jap cars with no excuses.
JoshC wrote: Road and Track had a comparison a few months back between the GT-R, ZR1 and some high end Porsche (exact details I don't remember). Despite being bested in every single test besides a slightly faster lap time at whatever test track, they declared the GT-R the hands down winner. I wonder why I let my subscription lapse shortly thereafter.
Maybe you didn't notice the "zero to warranty voided" test? I heard that the GT-R excels in that field :)
noisycricket wrote:JoshC wrote: Road and Track had a comparison a few months back between the GT-R, ZR1 and some high end Porsche (exact details I don't remember). Despite being bested in every single test besides a slightly faster lap time at whatever test track, they declared the GT-R the hands down winner. I wonder why I let my subscription lapse shortly thereafter.Maybe you didn't notice the "zero to warranty voided" test? I heard that the GT-R excels in that field :)
Launch control is no longer available on the 2009 GT-R.
Also, the GT-R V-Spec will be the answer to the ZR1
gamby wrote: Launch control is no longer available on the 2009 GT-R. Also, the GT-R V-Spec will be the answer to the ZR1
Come on now. Don't be a fan boi. 
That ZR1 is one hell of a car. It's good to see that the domestic's can produce a world class product in a field as demanding and uncompromising as super cars.
HardSlider wrote: The remarks in the comment section are quite hilarious, too. Anything from "GT-R can't be beat," "Corvette ZR-1 is more expensive (which is true, but the GT-R is supposed to "beat cars this expensive")," to "strip tthe GT-R down and it will beat the ZR-1 (which I find as the funniest stupid comment)."
My favorite:
"yeah nd the track has probably two decent corners nd two slight bends with a lot of straights id like to to see it pull better times at the tsukuba track"
Tsukuba:
Willow Springs:
They're actually remarkably similar...
The best part about the ZR1 is it is still an LSx motor and more power is a $250 cam away... 
I would buy neither but gladly drive either.
Not really a Corvette fan but it's nice to see an American car can put down such good numbers and go head to head with the worlds best.
derekshannon wrote: I just think it's cool that a pushrod V8 with "just" RWD can beat an electronically LOADED, ultra-sophistcated AWD super car. (yes, I know the Vette is quite sophisticaed in it's own right)
Oh, I like the ZR1 just fine. It's just an apples/oranges comparison. Z06 is the proper opponent. ZR1 is essentially a factory-tuned Z06, so put it up against a factory-tuned GT-R (when it comes out).
Obviously the ZR1 is a stronger opponent--it put down an extra 100hp to the wheels. It's pretty amazing that the GTR could keep up like it did w/ that horsepower deficiency.
That said, the ZR1 is an awesome piece of American machinery. What's not to like???
As a Ford guy, it was pretty sad to compare the Ford GT to the Z06. The GT was twice the price and had the engine in the right spot, and the Z06 hung right with it in power and handling.
I can understand the Nissan fanboys crying up a storm when their precious Godzilla is basically being embarrassed by a pushrod V8.
The ZR1 shares very, very little with the Z06. Calling a tuned one is so far off course I can't even make a joke about it. The Z06 uses a dry-sump 427ci (7.0L) all-aluminum LS7 engine and makes 505HP NA. It also has very little standard equipment in order to keep the weight down. The ZR1 features a wet-sump 380ci (6.2L) iron block/aluminum head LS9 (which is based off of the all-aluminum LS3) with a supercharger attached to it that makes 638HP on low boost. It also features a bare carbon hood, roof, and targa band to go along with loads of standard luxury features. Not to mention the carbon brakes lifted from the Ferrari Enzo and FXX...
The ZR1 is not the track weapon that the Z06 is. Think of the Z06 like a Ferrari 360 Scuderia and the ZR1 like a full-tart 599 GTB Fiorono. Sure the 599/ZR1 will be faster stock on some longer courses, but when you want to track day (ala GTR) then you go for the 360 Scud/Z06.
ReverendDexter wrote: I can understand the Nissan fanboys crying up a storm when their precious Godzilla is basically being embarrassed by a pushrod V8.
Ya did hear the wheel horsepower figures, right???
You don't need to be a physicist to grasp that 505 whp is going to be faster than 405 whp.
The GT-R was far from "embarrassed" taking that hp difference (and hell--the 20k price difference) into account.
Also--all performance aside, the Ford GT is more of a head-turner than the ZR1 IMHO.
Osterizer wrote:HardSlider wrote: The remarks in the comment section are quite hilarious, too. Anything from "GT-R can't be beat," "Corvette ZR-1 is more expensive (which is true, but the GT-R is supposed to "beat cars this expensive")," to "strip tthe GT-R down and it will beat the ZR-1 (which I find as the funniest stupid comment)."My favorite: "yeah nd the track has probably two decent corners nd two slight bends with a lot of straights id like to to see it pull better times at the tsukuba track" Tsukuba: Willow Springs: They're actually remarkably similar...
Actually, it was the Streets of Willow -- a much tighter track than the "big" course at Willow.
Osterizer wrote:HardSlider wrote: The remarks in the comment section are quite hilarious, too. Anything from "GT-R can't be beat," "Corvette ZR-1 is more expensive (which is true, but the GT-R is supposed to "beat cars this expensive")," to "strip tthe GT-R down and it will beat the ZR-1 (which I find as the funniest stupid comment)."My favorite: "yeah nd the track has probably two decent corners nd two slight bends with a lot of straights id like to to see it pull better times at the tsukuba track" {snip} They're actually remarkably similar...
Actually you've got it wrong, but it's again to your advantage. The two cars were on the "Streets of Willow" which is a separate track on the same grounds. That track is tight and twisty, with short straights. So the comment you quoted is totally wrong, and by their own argument (sans the BS comment about the Streets) the Corvette would destroy the GT-R at Tsukuba.
[edit] oops, looks like two of us had the same thought there.
Well E36 M3! I was confused why they called it the "streets" of willow springs raceway and though it was just an odd turn of phrase. I R total track n00b.
gamby wrote: You don't need to be a physicist to grasp that 505 whp is going to be faster than 405 whp.
I can't believe someone on this board would make that statement.
We all know that hp alone is not what determines what sort of lap times a car is going to turn, and they're are plenty of times we can all bring up where a lesser powered car will destroy a higher powered car. Lotus anyone?
The GT-R has more electronic whizz-bang gizmos than the space shuttle (okay, that may not be entirely true, lol), and it's behind the iron-blocked, front engine, rear wheel drive sledgehammer that is the ZR1. For all it's supposed technowizardry, it's a slower car, and not just in a straight line. AWD and super-advanced yaw control should be an advantage in the twisties, but the 'vette still walks all over it.
The only advantage I see for the GT-R is the price, and that's only an advantage if you limit yourself to brand new, off the showroom floor, unmodified versions of these two cars.
ReverendDexter wrote: ...it's behind the iron-blocked...
LS9 is aluminum. Horray, I feel SMRT again!
ReverendDexter wrote:gamby wrote: You don't need to be a physicist to grasp that 505 whp is going to be faster than 405 whp.I can't believe someone on *this* board would make that statement. We all know that hp alone is not what determines what sort of lap times a car is going to turn, and they're are plenty of times we can all bring up where a lesser powered car will destroy a higher powered car. Lotus anyone? The GT-R has more electronic whizz-bang gizmos than the space shuttle (okay, that may not be entirely true, lol), and it's behind the iron-blocked, front engine, rear wheel drive sledgehammer that is the ZR1. For all it's supposed technowizardry, it's a slower car, and not just in a straight line. AWD and super-advanced yaw control should be an advantage in the twisties, but the 'vette still walks all over it. The only advantage I see for the GT-R is the price, and that's only an advantage if you limit yourself to brand new, off the showroom floor, unmodified versions of these two cars.
Weight was a given--didn't even think of it since I assumed it was a given.
GTR is 500lbs. heavier than the ZR1 (not excusing it--the GT-R is too porky, IMHO)--that backs up the HP deficiency. The nannies obviously make up for it quite a bit, but even in the corners, that extra 100hp is going to be pushing that car faster.
I haven't mentioned a modded GT-R because that's not a fair comparison. Big difference between "modded" and "factory modded"--thus why I'm saying "wait for the (lighter and more powerful) V-Spec in order to have a more realistic comparison).
The HP weight and price would be much more equivalent.
I'm not a great auto-x'er ("dreadfully average" or "sub-par" describes me) but there's something to be said for raw horsepower when I (in my ~170hp carefully modded 99 Civic Si) can run a 1:38 on a mile+ auto-x course (with a few years of auto-x experience) and a friend who had never auto-x'ed could run a 1:35 on the same course in a ~530hp lightly-modded M6.
Something to be said for having 360 extra horsepower.
ReverendDexter wrote: The only advantage I see for the GT-R is the price...
And it's easier to drive, if that's your thing. From everything I've read, I get the impression that any shmoe could hop in the Nissan and pull off respectable lap times.
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