klipless wrote:triumph5 wrote: I've never seen such arguing over F1 Grand-Am, NHRA, ALMS races....Why?Maybe they're not doing as much wrong (or doing more right) as NASCAR. At least NASCAR drivers know how to turn, albeit in only one direction, but at least that's one more direction than the NHRA guys.*ducks for cover*
You ever seen John Force drive a Funny Car? He changes directions more in a 1/4 mile than most autocrossers do at Nationals...
Osterkraut wrote:96DXCivic wrote:I said red-blooded American male. Not some soccer-watching dandy! And watch out, the hipsters have pushed PBR into a pricier class.Osterkraut wrote:I will turn that piss water down forever. For the same money I can get PBR.HiTempguy wrote:Bud Light. And I don't think there's a single red-blooded American male will turn down Bud Light!Osterkraut wrote: People look down on NASCAR because of it's perceived fan base and drivers. So it's a popular target for ridicule. The ignorant Southerner is about the last "politically correct" stereotype left, and NASCAR features heavily in southern culture.Is that a busch beer carton on your head in your avatar? I really, REALLY don't have to say anything moreI KEED, I KEED!
It isn't pricier in Alabama. I dare you to say that to a real futbol fans face and see if you walk away.
96DXCivic wrote: It isn't pricier in Alabama. I dare you to say that to a real futbol fans face and see if you walk away without being deafened by a vevuzela
Fixed.
It's spec endurance racing. It sells (commercials, seats, whatever).
I'll have to disagree that it's the pro wrestling (And I'm proud to say that I'm not current on what the today's sanctioning body for that is anymore...though I infer it's WWE) of motorsports. That title is neatly held by monster truck activity (racing? exhibition? whatever...).
If you are an american football fan and you complain about not "getting it" when it comes to NASCAR...then you're just pretty damned closed minded. Come on over, I'll tell it to your face...then we'll have a beer and come to an understanding of some sort.
For those who say "What's so fun about watching cars drive around in circles?" (or make jokes about skittles in a toilet bowl or whatever). I could counter with any one of a hundred or more equally mundane aspects of your sportsball activity of choice.
Seriously...would you walk up to the 50 yard line (or mid-court, or the pitchers mound) of a sportsball event and grab a mic and say, "So...what is it that the whole lot of you gathered here today see appealing about this retarded sport?!"
Folks have varied interests and hobbies. Maybe some of you are sour that people who otherwise aren't into motorsports (or cars in general) are suddently interested. All I can say about that is "Good for NASCAR" for figuring out that formula.
I've been in pro road racing. Let me tell you...None of the sanctioning bodies are doing a better job than Nascar (I can't say difinitively that any are doing any worse, either).
Frankly...Nascar the most (if not ONLY) financially viable racing going (as in, the concept generates income on several levels).
I DON'T like that they keep pretending the cars have anything to do with a car you could buy from a manufacturer. I'd just as soon they put good looking bodies on them OR actually made them from the car they're headlight stickers were loosely approximated from. But hey...it's still racing!
It's basically Spec racing. It's very much endurance racing. Not bad, in my book.
Clem
My main complaint is that as a televised motorsports fan, I wish it wasn't forced down my throat. I miss the old Speedvision. sniff. 
Me: So instead of a plethora of road racing, off-road, boats, planes, and anything else that people use in a contest of speed I get 8 hours of nascar coverage and the WRC canned altogether?
Fox: Pretty much. Cool isn't it? Oh yeah, don't forget about our constant airing of PINKS, where you get to see 25 minutes of grown men whining, pissing, and bitching with 30 seconds of racing.
Me: Ok, thanks.
Kramer wrote: You're right. They should ban the "lucky dog" rule and go back to scoring only when the cars crossed the start/finish line. The races would be so much safer.
actually the "lucky dog" rule came into being as a safety measure... prior to the rule they raced back to the stripe and there were many shenanigans .... leader slowing up to allow a team mate to get back on the lead lap... lots of blocking to keep a "hated rival " down a lap... more wrecks caused without the "lucky dog" ... now the field is set ... no passing... so the "lucky dog" is truly a safety measure...
How about no passing as soon as the yellow flag is displayed? Seems simple enough and works for the elitist road racers.
I look down on NASCAR because I used to be a fan. I was too young to see the "real" cars out there on the track, but I was watching when the cars they were mimicking were RWD V8 cars you could buy at a dealer. Heck, even in the mid-eighties, Chevy and Pontiac sold Aerocoupes so they could improve the cars' aerodynamics at races.
I think the first I really started to question "stock car" racing was when NASCAR started mucking with the 89 T-Bird, so the GM products could still compete on the superspeedways. Then, they seemed to get more and more ridiculous about evening out the cars as much as possible, and trying to keep the field from getting to far separated. While dominant wins may not be as exciting to watch, they're kind of awesome from an engineering geek's standpoint.
I really wish someone would try to promote Grand Am/World Challenge or something else far closer to old school stock car racing (regarding the how close the cars are to what you can buy at the dealer) on more than just the Speed Channel. I suspect it'd get a lot of viewership. Maybe not as much as NASCAR, at least in the beginning. I think its a chicken and egg thing. Joe Sixpack doesn't know the series exists, so noone (other then Speed) will to broadcast it, so Joe Sixpack never finds out about it. Hell, even on Speed, it seems anything not NASCAR or reality tends to get buried anyway.
Osterkraut wrote: People look down on NASCAR because of it's perceived fan base and drivers. So it's a popular target for ridicule. The ignorant Southerner is about the last "politically correct" stereotype left, and NASCAR features heavily in southern culture.
Well, I started one of the two posts in question and I did not do so because I look down upon nascar for its "perceived fan base" although much of society does. Rather, the main reason I think Nascar sucks is because I object to the fact that the cars are all the same with the exception of the graphics. This is true of Indy car racing also and other forms of racing too. I mean, remember the good old days when there were innovative chassises, engines, etc???
I enjoy all racing, sports car racing, ovals, its all good, no snobbery on my part, just want these guys to race real cars with up to date safety equipment. Thats all.
Nascar hasn't been stock or even remotely stock for a long, long time. The cars in the '80's, while they used some production components, were still tube frame.
If they went back to a production based car, the expense would rise drastically, and the car count would probably drop. As it is now, they could continue the series without corporate involvement if needed, not that they want to. The cars can be branded just about anything, and they are cheap to build and maintain. Crash damage is also dealt with easily.
Personally I'm not really a tube frame fan, but I see the appeal for a team owner. They drive better as well as the chassis is much stiffer and safer to some degree.
96DXCivic wrote: It isn't pricier in Alabama. I dare you to say that to a real futbol fans face and see if you walk away.
Damn bro, you get a huge chubby out of being a soccer fan, don't you?
In reply to 1988RedT2: I like you!!!
I am fine with the current chassis, just make an OE looking body on top of it with an OE engine and transmission in it. The Volkswagen Passat cup car with the Veyron W12 would be hella sick ;)
Osterkraut wrote:96DXCivic wrote: It isn't pricier in Alabama. I dare you to say that to a real futbol fans face and see if you walk away.Damn bro, you get a huge chubby out of being a soccer fan, don't you?
I just really enjoy a good argument.
John Brown wrote: The Volkswagen Passat cup car with the Veyron W12 would be hella sick ;)
Until tear down. That would be a late night in the pits I think.
In reply to TJ:
Racing is much better as a participant sport than a spectator sport. NASCAR is popular because of crashes, loud noises and sensationalism. It is like jingling keys at a baby, it makes people happy. Most people get bored with road races because even when there is passing there are few spectacular crashes. No eye candy.
96DXCivic wrote:Osterkraut wrote:I just really enjoy a good argument.96DXCivic wrote: It isn't pricier in Alabama. I dare you to say that to a real futbol fans face and see if you walk away.Damn bro, you get a huge chubby out of being a soccer fan, don't you?
I wouldn't call "my sport's fans can beat up your sport's fans" a good argument, but clearly, some people's kids have odd definitions of good!
I rarely mention that I'm a Nascar fan in the District anymore, yet I did so tonite. A berkeleying nano-second later a white liberal co-worker rants about the social class of their fans, and the word white comes out with venom in it. Bizarre bunch, white liberals. bizarre, bizarre, bizarre. I suppose southern whites are their bogeyman scaring us into throwing all our money at govt. programs and the countless do-gooder non-profits they all work for.
nutherjrfan wrote: I rarely mention that I'm a Nascar fan in the District anymore, yet I did so tonite. A berkeleying nano-second later a white liberal co-worker rants about the social class of their fans, and the word white comes out with venom in it. Bizarre bunch, white liberals. bizarre, bizarre, bizarre. I suppose southern whites are their bogeyman scaring us into throwing all our money at govt. programs and the countless do-gooder non-profits they all work for.
Tell him/her he's/she's a bigot. See how he/she reacts to that
The NA$CAR formula seems to work at every level. The guys at the local circle track race every weekend. They race tube frame cars with small block v8's on a blue collar budget, and there's prize money up for grabs every night. I'd say they're on to something.
carguy123 wrote: It's because of the lack of skill required to drive in a circle as compared to other forms of racing plus the Bozo the clown circus atmosphere.
you're brilliant....rolleyes
nderwater wrote: The NA$CAR formula seems to work at every level. The guys at the local circle track race every weekend. They race tube frame cars with small block v8's on a blue collar budget, and there's prize money up for grabs every night. I'd say they're on to something.
exactly....it's fun as hell to go out to as well, just as much fun if not more than most professional sporting events like football, ncaa football, etc. Of course way more exciting than baseball, golf, tennis, etc. All these narrow minded ideas on NASCAR and circle track racing in general crack me up and I'm one of the biggest road racing fans around, but I love circle track racing as well, but maybe it's because I grew up in the south in good ole Sebring, FL.
I love going to local dirt tracks but to me it loses something in translation on to a paved surface. And I just don't enjoy it as much.
eastsidemav wrote: I really wish someone would try to promote Grand Am/World Challenge or something else far closer to old school stock car racing (regarding the how close the cars are to what you can buy at the dealer) on more than just the Speed Channel. I suspect it'd get a lot of viewership. Maybe not as much as NASCAR, at least in the beginning. I think its a chicken and egg thing. Joe Sixpack doesn't know the series exists, so noone (other then Speed) will to broadcast it, so Joe Sixpack never finds out about it. Hell, even on Speed, it seems anything not NASCAR or reality tends to get buried anyway.
You do know that NASCAR owns Grand Am and that some of the cars are tube frames with stock looking bodies on them right.
if Nascar had "stock looking bodies" like Grand Am has "stock looking bodies", I suspect there would be less of a problem on "our" end. much cooler.
The RX-8 tubeframe cars LOOK like RX-8s.
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