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frenchyd
frenchyd UltimaDork
1/21/22 1:45 p.m.
Streetwiseguy said:
Schmidlap said:
Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) said:

Hmm. I wonder if one would fit in the XJ. 85 more hp. 50 more torque. And there is a engine local with trans and ecu for $600. 

I assume you mean Jeep, but the numbers aren't off for Jaguar XJs either, as well as a likely weight savings from the aluminum block vs iron.

Oh, somebody has to alert Frenchy to this thread...

I've been following Calvin for several years now. Both here and on U tube.  I really like his approach to things. The information he gives and his success in drag racing. 

frenchyd
frenchyd UltimaDork
1/21/22 2:39 p.m.

In reply to TheV8Kid :

Calvin, you should give a link to your U Tube channel.  That's a really great site.  
 Oh and tell them to like and subscribe. 

dannyp84
dannyp84 Reader
10/26/22 5:47 p.m.

My neighbor wants $400 for a running trailblazer with a cracked frame. I don't have anything to swap the 4200 into but I might go for it anyway, wonder if it would fit a Mercedes w124 chassis without cutting up the hood?

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
10/27/22 6:26 p.m.
Schmidlap said:
Toyman01 (Moderately Supportive Dude) said:

Hmm. I wonder if one would fit in the XJ. 85 more hp. 50 more torque. And there is a engine local with trans and ecu for $600. 

I assume you mean Jeep, but the numbers aren't off for Jaguar XJs either, as well as a likely weight savings from the aluminum block vs iron.

Edit: just saw your comment about the Atlas being really tall, so fitting in a Jaguar probably wouldn't happen if you're not sure about it fitting in a Jeep.  Not that I have a Jaguar to worry about fitting an Atlas in.

If you look carefully at the newer (1988-)  Jaguar 6 cylinders. You will see an almost exact twin.  Aluminum block,  4 liters,  4 valves per cylinder. Similar sizes, bore centers etc.  the two big advantage the Jaguars have is they are a rear sump engine ( unlike the Atlas which requires a lot of welding to  fit in most cars) and Jaguar has available a supercharger so it's more powerful.  
     It also starts out at as low  as $200  and $400 will often get you a warranty.  
  Oh and in England they also came with a 5 speed manual gearbox. ( I think 2 made it here to the USA) 

The British are ahead on camshaft options. Both Kent and ?  Have camshaft availability.   In vintage racing the racers are using over 7500 rpm with the long stroke engines.  Also you don't need to convert the hydraulic lifters to solid lifters. They come that way stock.  
  The valve springs on JAGUARS are relatively common. Similar to Ford Flathead  and the earlier cast Iron Jaguar both   ISKY and Crower both sell them plus they are pretty generic so others might have them as well.  
    The one disadvantage Jaguars have is they do not have VVT. Jaguars  were in use more than a decade before GM built their Atlas engine. Before VVT was available.  I believe the Atlas didn't initially have VVT, it was added about 2006?  In use until the end of the 4200 2008?  
You can easily achieve the same effect because the Jaguar camshaft uses a sprocket that is segmented into 2&1/2 degree segments. Making advancing and retarding both the intake and exhaust an easy 15 minute job. In fact the camshaft alignment tool has been available since 1948 and most cars came with one in their tool kit. ( at least until Ford bought them).  
    Incidentally . Since the British taught us about inches, feet, and pounds.  Jaguars use regular SAE ( American sizes) tools ( until Ford bought them and switched to metric). 
 More bad news. 
     Unlike the V12 I don't know if the six cylinder engines transmission alignment pins line up with Chevy bell housings.  So I don't know what transmissions are easy swaps.  

frenchyd
frenchyd MegaDork
10/27/22 6:52 p.m.

In reply to TheV8Kid :

It would be nice if you could put your latest achievements up here too. 
  I hope I get this correct. Your newest Atlas in your dads Datsun made 870 hp at the rear wheels. ( more than a 1000 hp at the flywheel)  if I'm not mistaken you were relatively conservative  so there may be more available?  
     The 4200 in your Studebaker made 824 hp at the rear wheels  but shortly there after a connecting rod wanted to escape the confines of the engine block and punched it's way out. 
   To be fair a pull or two before it made 40 pounds of boost which apparently  the stock rods didn't like. 30 pounds is more practical. 
    Plus that came from a junkyard and the whole bottom end was stock and untouched with 175,000 miles on it. 
  Nope the engine wasn't opened up. Not even to gap the rings. Stock head, stock rods,  Stock crank stock stock stock, unopened.  Before that it had turned a 9.70 1/4 at 145 mph?  Plus dozens and dozens of pulls  

   Very admirable. And on a tiny budget too!!  

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