VW is clever, but now has been caught.
Sounds pretty ingenious, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Clean diesel indeed.
VW is clever, but now has been caught.
Sounds pretty ingenious, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Clean diesel indeed.
In reply to T.J.:
They're scrubbing the web of all their "clean diesel" marketing too.
I have a feeling this is going to go a lot farther than a recall of 500k vehicles.
"EPA regulators said that Volkswagen adopted a "sophisticated" algorithm that turned on vehicles' full emissions controls when it detected they were being tested for emissions performance."
HOly E36 M3
If an individual did this with his modified car to pass smog we would all be calling him a genious.
Wow... 
Of course, my '03 has practically no emissions controls and leaves a small superfund site wherever it goes... 
In reply to gearheadmb:
Oh it is genius. Incredibly illegal, but genius.
gearheadmb wrote: If an individual did this with his modified car to pass smog we would all be calling him a genious.
Maybe. But there's a difference between a few people willingly skirting emissions controls for performance reasons, and an automaker deceiving the public and creating millions of vehicles that pollute illegally right off the shelf without anyone's knowledge.
We'd also be calling that guy lawyerbait for sure though.
I just heard about this on the news. It has the potential of being the worst PR possible for the peoples' car company.
In reply to GameboyRMH:
The government wouldnt go after that guy. That guy doesnt have enough money to make it worth protecting the environment. But a big company like vw? Oh man, the govt will proect the E36 M3 out of the planet then.
Yeah. Selling your diesels as 'clean' when they actually pollute 40x the legal limit. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the VW executive boardroom as they determine who to make the fall guy for this.
How do you say "rolling coal" in German?
Wow now that is ballsy. I was wondering how VAG got its clean diesel program going so quickly and efficiently in the US but Mazda hadn't been able to do the same.
T.J. wrote: Yeah. Selling your diesels as 'clean' when they actually pollute 40x the legal limit. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the VW executive boardroom as they determine who to make the fall guy for this.
If they want to call me up, pay me a years salary and a generous separation settlement, I will fly over and take the heat.
I have to admit that one of my sets of morals wants to give Volkswagen a standing ovation for this.
All they gots to say is that they are going to take their assembly line home and it should go away.
Hmm, so are there any Golf GTd's in the US yet that I might be able to snag a smoking deal on?
NOHOME wrote:T.J. wrote: Yeah. Selling your diesels as 'clean' when they actually pollute 40x the legal limit. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the VW executive boardroom as they determine who to make the fall guy for this.If they want to call me up, pay me a years salary and a generous separation settlement, I will fly over and take the heat.
Sign me up for some of that!!
How much do you want to bet they were doing this in other markets, too? I bet this is just the first salvo in a whole series of fines lawsuits around the world.
I think it's hilarious.
I have so many jokes running through my head that would put me on the bannedwagon right now.
Keith Tanner wrote: I think it's hilarious.
I'm with Keith on this one. Hilarious for sure. 
They clearly need to get handed a mighty fine, but whoever those engineers were shouldn't have any problem finding new jobs.
Not sure how much I would be interested in hiring someone exposing the prior employer to billions in fines and potential lost revenue.
Those decisions tend to come from the top; I doubt a rogue team of engineers just decided to implement such a feature off the cuff.
Anyone else seeing a Mazda diesel ad in their head right now? "Clean diesel. No cheating."
Don't most automakers do this with EPA MPG testing? And really don't all manufactures develop emmissions controls to match the test cycle? Im just wondering if this is really a situation where VW intentionally cheated emissions or if the EPA testing requirements are so much different than real use that the tuning for the rest of the vehicle operation is able to be much more open because it's not tested.
SlickDizzy wrote: In reply to T.J.: They're scrubbing the web of all their "clean diesel" marketing too. I have a feeling this is going to go a lot farther than a recall of 500k vehicles.
They need to come up with a "We cheat the government and pass the savings on to you" campaign to replace their deleted ads.
In reply to mazdeuce:
exactly, they'll slide right over to the motorsports side working on the traction control systems
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