Wagon definition

I like to think of my ms3 as a wagon. Just because then I can say I have a turbo station wagon.

Streetwiseguy wrote: 2 doors and hatch is a hatchback. 4 doors and hatch is a wagon. Exceptions would include old American full size 2 door wagons like this: This conversation is like talking to a music person. I don't care which of the thousand names you call modern euro dance music, its still Disco. I was there.

There were also 2-door wagons that were called sedan deliveries. Actually more rare than the Nomad.

The Forester is the true Impreza Wagon. (end troll)

To further muddy the waters.

From Wiki: Diagram of a five-door hatchback (two-box) superimposed over the station wagon (two-box) from the same model range—in this case, both with a D-pillar.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatchback#Hatchback_vs._station_wagon

I still say the 5 door hatch is a wagon for those who don't want to say they bought a wagon.Marketing. Call it a Crosstour, Sportcross, whatever.

wlkelley3 wrote:

Streetwiseguy wrote: 2 doors and hatch is a hatchback. 4 doors and hatch is a wagon. Exceptions would include old American full size 2 door wagons like this: This conversation is like talking to a music person. I don't care which of the thousand names you call modern euro dance music, its still Disco. I was there.

There were also 2-door wagons that were called sedan deliveries. Actually more rare than the Nomad.

And a Suburban up here is legally called a ranch wagon...Just muddying the waters, I fear.

wlkelley3 wrote:

Streetwiseguy wrote: 2 doors and hatch is a hatchback. 4 doors and hatch is a wagon. Exceptions would include old American full size 2 door wagons like this: This conversation is like talking to a music person. I don't care which of the thousand names you call modern euro dance music, its still Disco. I was there.

There were also 2-door wagons that were called sedan deliveries. Actually more rare than the Nomad.

Sedan delivery implies that there are no side windows rearward of the driver, and no seating, as this is cargo area.

I'd consider that a shooting brake.

I read somewhere the difference between hatch and wagon was the amount of roof that covered the cargo area floor. If it is above 60% covered then wagon, below 60% then hatch. Example, 1998 Volvo v70: wagon, 2005(?) Mazda 6 hatch, hatchback. This gets muddy with things like the focus but I will then defer to the rear overhang rule.

Edit : a better example is the is300 sportcross. It has less then 60% coverage so therefore hatch.

Brett_Murphy wrote: The Forester is the true Impreza Wagon. (end troll) To further muddy the waters. From Wiki: Diagram of a five-door hatchback (two-box) superimposed over the station wagon (two-box) from the same model range—in this case, both with a D-pillar. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatchback#Hatchback_vs._station_wagon

Funny how they use the focus as an example there.

What, no shooting brakes??

JFX001 wrote: I still say the 5 door hatch is a wagon for those who don't want to say they bought a wagon.Marketing. Call it a Crosstour, Sportcross, whatever.

So what is a Crosstour??? Or the BMW 5 GT? That is a very good question. I would classify it as a hackback.

I would be thread jacking to go the what is the difference between a Crossover/SUV/Wagon.

So let's just stick with the Wagon vs Hatchback classification

Oh no, I said VS.

I said VS again!

What's may favorite color???

AAARRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

SVreX wrote: What, no shooting brakes??

That's what I call my two door Cherokee.

Joey

steronz wrote: By your logic the Aveo is a wagon, as are the Fit and Fiesta. It also means that the ZX5 is a wagon, even though Ford went out of their way to make a wagon version of the Focus. As an avid wagon shopper, I need a vehicle to carry my kids and my dog, and counting the pillars ain't gonna cut it. The HHR panel van is a wagon, and it doesn't have windows.

The Aveo and Fiesta are clearly hatchbacks. The Fit is a grey area, I'd probably call it a small wagon. ZX5 as mentioned above comes close, but the cargo window is minimal and the back is extremely sloped, hatchback.

I don't understand why you're so fixated on size (so to speak), it's importance in naming a wagon, and how much it inconveniences you when shopping for a wagon. You want a large station wagon, such as a V70, not a small station wagon, such as the Fit.

Nobody calls the size of wagon you're looking for a hatchback. Some wagons ARE to small for your needs, but that's easy enough to get around, you don't see people complaining that they should call small sedans coupes because they're not big enough for their needs.

I Am Keyser Söze wrote: I would be thread jacking to go the what is the difference between a Crossover/SUV/Wagon.

Well the difference between a crossover/wagon (there's no difference there, at all) and an SUV is that an SUV is body-on-frame, where as a station wagon/crossover is unibody.

A hatchback is anything that is awesome, and a station wagon is anything that is more awesome yet. A sedan is what boring people drive (myself included) and coupes have annoying HID headlights and are what people who wear Ray Bans drive.

Twin_Cam wrote:

I Am Keyser Söze wrote: I would be thread jacking to go the what is the difference between a Crossover/SUV/Wagon.

Well the difference between a crossover/wagon (there's no difference there, at all) and an SUV is that an SUV is body-on-frame, where as a station wagon/crossover is unibody.

The XJ Crew would like to have a word with you.

So is it a wagon or a hatchback?

mad_machine wrote: So is it a wagon or a hatchback?

Shooting brake.

Actually, I'm cringing hearing myself, as I'm using a septic using a Britishism. I'm not about to start calling sedans saloons, but shooting brake seems to best fit a car with a wagon profile and two side doors.

singleslammer wrote: I read somewhere the difference between hatch and wagon was the amount of roof that covered the cargo area floor. If it is above 60% covered then wagon, below 60% then hatch. Example, 1998 Volvo v70: wagon, 2005(?) Mazda 6 hatch, hatchback. This gets muddy with things like the focus but I will then defer to the rear overhang rule. Edit : a better example is the is300 sportcross. It has less then 60% coverage so therefore hatch.

I like this. I nearly posted something about the point where the roofline turned downward toward the beltline relative to the rearmost pillar of the rearmost passenger door, but it started to get muddy.

Osterkraut wrote:

Twin_Cam wrote:

I Am Keyser Söze wrote: I would be thread jacking to go the what is the difference between a Crossover/SUV/Wagon.

Well the difference between a crossover/wagon (there's no difference there, at all) and an SUV is that an SUV is body-on-frame, where as a station wagon/crossover is unibody.

The XJ Crew would like to have a word with you.

And ZJ, WJ - really all of the Grand Cherokees. Freelander? Ah, it is another thread.

I like the Wiki definition. I had a 1983 Pontiac Parisienne staton wagon in high school. I would argue that you need length and the ability to seat people in the 'way-back'. Also, the door shouldn't open up, as in a 'hatch-back'. It should open to the side OR be droppable as a lift gate. The smallest wagon I'd say is cool to call a wagon is the Subaru Legacy wagon, the WRX is not a wagon, no way, no how...

I consider my 5 door Geo Metro a small station wagon and I don't give a Berkeley what the rest of you think.

Come to think of it, I will call my Geo Metro a sports car if I like and I will call my KLR 650 a dirt bike. And I will call my border collie a rhinoceros and there is not a damned thing any of you can do about it.

I Am Keyser Söze wrote:

JFX001 wrote: I still say the 5 door hatch is a wagon for those who don't want to say they bought a wagon.Marketing. Call it a Crosstour, Sportcross, whatever.

So what is a Crosstour??? Or the BMW 5 GT? That is a very good question. I would classify it as a hackback. I would be thread jacking to go the what is the difference between a Crossover/SUV/Wagon. So let's just stick with the Wagon vs Hatchback classification Oh no, I said VS. I said VS again! What's may favorite color??? AAARRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Point being, as stated before, a 5 door hatch is a wagon. There is a stigma attached to the word wagon, so manufacturers round off the back and ta-da...a "5 door multi-purpose car based on our sedan model with more room in the back for soccer balls and Black Labs for the suburban set."Marketing.

You favorite color is blue.

My mz5 is titled as a wagon.

Raze wrote: I like the Wiki definition. I had a 1983 Pontiac Parisienne staton wagon in high school. I would argue that you need length and the ability to seat people in the 'way-back'. Also, the door shouldn't open up, as in a 'hatch-back'. It should open to the side OR be droppable as a lift gate. The smallest wagon I'd say is cool to call a wagon is the Subaru Legacy wagon, the WRX is not a wagon, no way, no how...

see.. I would debate that.. I remember my parents going from a Plymouth wagon (with the way back) to an Aspen Station Wagon in 1980.. it was mid-sized, did not have a third row, and the rear door lifted like a hatchback.. but it was definatly a station wagon and not a hatch