In reply to SVreX:
In reply to SVreX:
pinchvalve wrote: If nothing else, it raises awareness of the different selling practices in place at E-bay. It's good to know that buying a car is different than baseball cards.
Agreed
In reply to Datsun1500:
SVreX wrote: Good grief. Some of you absolutely refuse to hear anything other than what you want to hear. Ad says, "Buyer must call within 24 hours", and you hear, "Dealer will hold car for 24 hours". It simply doesn't say that. I have pointed that out a few times in this thread, and they still don't hear it. Like you said, it must be why I have good experiences buying cars, not bad ones.
Alright, one of you then, please explain what "Buyer must call within 24 hours" means to you. To most people it clearly means that after winning the bid, the high bidder has 24 hours to start the process of buying the car (which was to be completed within 5 days.) But to some of you it obviously means something else. I haven't a clue what a buyer and seller have to talk about if there is no good to buy or sell.
In the end, eBay looks like a not very well thought out way for a dealer to sell a car. They did have the option to sell the car early and end the auction due to the sale. Had they done that, the original poster would never have "won", and we wouldn't be having this conversation. But that didn't happen. What did happen was that the dealer made two deals with two people for the same car.
Boost_Crazy wrote: What did happen was that the dealer made two deals with two people for the same car.
And whats most amazing is that, there are a few people here that think its ok. I'm corn-fused about that.
ScreaminE wrote: My favorite dealer tactic is to advertise a popular car (say EVO, STI, etc.) at a ridiculously low price. You call the dealer in excitement for the "sales manager" to say "hmmm, I'm not sure if we still have that one. Let me get your name and number and I will call you back." Three minutes pass, they call back to say, "sorry, we just sold it. But I do have a 2005 Camry automatic that's a four-door, basically the exact car as that EVO. I can cut you a good deal." Meanwhile, you get 5 calls a day from the dealer for craptastic cars that you don't care about.
This has been my experience. You are spot on. One Chevrolet salesman told me half the time they don't have the internet cars.
In reply to Datsun1500:
In reply to Boost_Crazy: It means exactly what it says. The buyer must contact the dealer within 24 hours. It does not obligate the dealer to anything. It does not say the dealer must hold the car.
Okay, I get it. People like you are the reason why our world is now full of legal disclaimer micro print. I thought lawyers made those people up for job security, but now I see that you exist. Are your people related to the "But there wasn't a sign warning me not to put my hand in the wood chipper" people?
Be honest, how often does the following happen to you...
Datsun1500: Wait officer, why are you writing me a ticket!?!
Officer: You are parked in a no parking zone, it's clearly marked.
Datsun1500: But is says "No Parking" on the sign. I didn't park on the sign, I parked in the street.
Officer: I've got another one here, I'm gonna need backup.
http://youtu.be/E5gwc4UizUc
In reply to Datsun1500:
I will ask again. Where does it say the dealer must hold the car? The terms and conditions are in the dealers favor, and obligates them to nothing.
Okay, I'll play along. Following that vein of reasoning, I'd say the bidder got off easy. After all, the dealer never specifically said that a real car was up for auction. He showed PICTURES of a car. The winning bidder almost ended up with a very expensive set of photographs. Luckily, someone beat him to them. An art collector perhaps? Come to think of it, maybe the dealer was the lucky one. They gave a dollar amount, but their terms didn't specify legal tender. The bidder was this close to a sweet ride in exchange for a fist full of Monopoly money. Quick, call the lawyers, and tell them to bring the fine print! That was a close one!
In reply to Boost_Crazy:
Actually, if I was in the car when the officer was trying to write me a ticket, I wasn't parked anyway. I was standing (or stopping).
That would mean the officer had no authority to write me a parking ticket. 
The only thing this thread shows me is that about 9 out of 10 people would rather argue and blame someone (especially if it is a dealer) than man up and seek resolution.
I'll say it again. 2 people had a disagreement. 1 admitted to a mistake. The other started a vindictive public smear campaign to discredit him, with the intent to cause harm.
Then, lots of people (who don't know E36 M3 about what happened) piled on.
Some of them then turned it into a nit-picking legal splitting hairs argument, so they could blame more people (like me and Datsun1500).
I didn't write the stupid Ebay non-binding rules, and I am not defending the dealer. I am not the enemy.
Man up.
Boost_Crazy wrote: Okay, I get it. People like you are the reason why our world is now full of legal disclaimer micro print. I thought lawyers made those people up for job security, but now I see that you exist. Are your people related to the "But there wasn't a sign warning me not to put my hand in the wood chipper" people?
You might drop the condescending attitude since it seems you're the one that doesn't understand the words as written and needs the meaning spelled out to you.
Datsun310Guy wrote:ScreaminE wrote: My favorite dealer tactic is to advertise a popular car (say EVO, STI, etc.) at a ridiculously low price. You call the dealer in excitement for the "sales manager" to say "hmmm, I'm not sure if we still have that one. Let me get your name and number and I will call you back." Three minutes pass, they call back to say, "sorry, we just sold it. But I do have a 2005 Camry automatic that's a four-door, basically the exact car as that EVO. I can cut you a good deal." Meanwhile, you get 5 calls a day from the dealer for craptastic cars that you don't care about.This has been my experience. You are spot on. One Chevrolet salesman told me half the time they don't have the internet cars.
On several occaisions, I have searched for a partuclar car on the WWW by VIN. Often they will show up on several different dealers web sites.
Just leave negative feedback citing the conditions and let ebay deal with it.....then stop this train wreck of a thread.
In reply to yamaha:
+1000
A lot of static could have been avoided if the dealer had not been named. For the sake of discussion 'a Chevy dealer' would suffice.
Just my .02
In reply to SVreX:
Then, lots of people (who don't know E36 M3 about what happened) piled on. Some of them then turned it into a nit-picking legal splitting hairs argument, so they could blame more people (like me and Datsun1500).
I'm sorry, but you should really go back and re-read this from the beginning. The circumstances are very clear, and have been agreed upon by both parties. The debate is about the acceptability of the outcome. The only legal hairsplitting was done by those who have claimed that "The buyer must contact the dealer within 24 hours" doesn't actually apply to the purchase of the car, but rather an undefined need to have an unrelated conversation about an unknown subject. I find that argument pretty weak, and have had some fun poking holes in it to prove my point.
Man up.
Now you've lost me. For someone who values strict literal interpretation, I'm at a loss as to why you chose to close your argument with that phrase. Are we in a beer commercial? Or perhaps you meant it literally- you are at work, holding a ladder, and had to conclude your post. It's starting to make sense now.
Ok, this is going nowhere. I don't like locking threads. Can we agree to disagree and let the thread die, or must I lock it?
Yes. 
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