I knew they sold 2+2 versions of the 280/300Z, but didn't realize they did with the FC and FD as well?
You could get rear seats in RX7s, although they weren't very useful for sitting in.
The FC could be had with a back seat that had seatbelts and everything. I don't think it was actually usable. I had a 2 +2 and i don't think a toddler could have fit in those seats. The FC also peaked at 185 hp (iirc).
I believe the FD never had back seats as an option.
The FB also had an option for rear seats, a friend of mine had an 83-84 with one. There was zero leg room.
Here's an FD rear seat. I'm not clear on whether it was a JDM-only or not, but they're out there.
FC had a 500 dollar option for rear sets but it was not super popular in the states, they made great for holding a bag of groceries in one and your briefcase in the other but thats about it...
and yeah the miata is a far cry from 276hp
That's about what the seats looked like in the Z31 2+2, the 6" extra wheelbase or whatever didn't help much.
our most powerful 'non-turbocharged, non-rotary' 2 seater ever.
what about the MSM? the ND makes more power than the turbo motor?
Robbie said:our most powerful 'non-turbocharged, non-rotary' 2 seater ever.
what about the MSM? the ND makes more power than the turbo motor?
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In reply to STM317 :
All three generations of the RX-7 were designed as 2+2's. It doesn't mean they're useful but still.
Technically the Series 8 Spirit R Type A (not offered in the US) was only offered in 2 seat trim but was the same chassis I'm not sure it counts. Mazda's marketing people aren't technically correct but they're mostly correct as far as that goes.
Yeah, the ND has a whole 3 hp more than the MSM - but the car is lighter and we've found the 2019 is dynoing higher than the MSM did by a fair bit. Ignoring the "two seater" bit, it's a legit claim. And it's also the cleanest and most fuel efficient engine they've put in a Miata, which is a great trick. Mazda couldn't sell that MSM engine now even if they wanted to.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
But can you put the 2019 engine in a MSM? 
Put it in, sure. Get it to run happily? That's going to take a little more work.
Keith Tanner said:Yeah, the ND has a whole 3 hp more than the MSM - but the car is lighter and we've found the 2019 is dynoing higher than the MSM did by a fair bit. Ignoring the "two seater" bit, it's a legit claim. And it's also the cleanest and most fuel efficient engine they've put in a Miata, which is a great trick. Mazda couldn't sell that MSM engine now even if they wanted to.
Oh yeah, just thought it was interesting.
My desire for the ND2 is growing by the day. I wish they'd get the build tool up on the site!
All three generations of RX-7 were sold as 4-seaters in Japan for insurance reasons. As stated above, they were really only useful for groceries or children under 10 without a carseat. I think that the rear seats were an option on a couple of the generations here in the states, but I am not 100% certain.
tomtomgt356 said:All three generations of RX-7 were sold as 4-seaters in Japan for insurance reasons. As stated above, they were really only useful for groceries or children under 10 without a carseat. I think that the rear seats were an option on a couple of the generations here in the states, but I am not 100% certain.
Which makes sense since they were copied from the 924/944 which were all 2+2’s. At least with the FD they did their own styling. The FB/FC were very close to the 924/944 in styling and form.
In reply to STM317 :
Not sure about JDM only, but the FD was definitely 2 seat only in the US.
Robbie said:our most powerful 'non-turbocharged, non-rotary' 2 seater ever.
what about the MSM? the ND makes more power than the turbo motor?
Yes. The MSM was a pretty half-assed attempt at a turbo Miata.
I wouldn't call it half-assed. The number of detail changes in that car are pretty spectacular. But it was hamstrung by the fact that it was based on a very old platform and the engine was at the end of its lifespan. I'm pretty sure Mazda had to do a number of things they didn't really want to do in order to pass emissions, such as that lean fuel behavior at tip-in. It's easy to forget that manufacturers have very different requirements than the aftermarket.
The MSM was originally supposed to be an aftermarket partnership along the lines of the Protege MP3 (Racing Beat) or the Mazdaspeed Protege (Callaway). RFPs were sent out. Unfortunately, the Mazdaspeed Protege was not a good experience for Mazda and they pulled everything back in-house.
z31maniac said:
I am pretty sure that all RX-7s had 100 horsepower, or 105hp in later models.
In seriousness, all RX-7s were technically four seat cars, it's just that most of them were sold with blanking covers over the rear seat area.
Stefan said:tomtomgt356 said:All three generations of RX-7 were sold as 4-seaters in Japan for insurance reasons. As stated above, they were really only useful for groceries or children under 10 without a carseat. I think that the rear seats were an option on a couple of the generations here in the states, but I am not 100% certain.
Which makes sense since they were copied from the 924/944 which were all 2+2’s. At least with the FD they did their own styling. The FB/FC were very close to the 924/944 in styling and form.
The FC was far closer to the 928 than the 924/944.
The SA/FB were miniature C3 Corvettes with the Hot Wheels wheelwells shaved smooth. The roofline is near identical.
'78 Corvette:
'78 RX-7:
Same conical windshield, same downward slope at the top of the door, same trapezoidal B-pillar (924/944 had side windows and no B-pillars!), same rear glass shape (albeit 3 piece with the RX-7 vs. 1 piece on the C3), same narrowing of the rear glass towards the back of the car to leave a widening horizontal "shelf" at the beltline...
If you want interesting, you could get a "targa band" for the RX-7 that accentuated the similarity to the hoop-like C3 B-pillar/roof treatment.
Knurled. said:If you want interesting, you could get a "targa band" for the RX-7 that accentuated the similarity to the hoop-like C3 B-pillar/roof treatment.
There was a Targa 7 for sale near me a year or so ago. I remember seeing a few of them when they were new, but until I stopped to look at this one, I had always thought that they actually had a removable roof panel conversion done. Nope, just a big bulky piece of aluminum trim. It was really a shame too because, if not for the Targa band and a really aggressive (though period correct) rear spoiler, I might have bought the car. If I recall correctly, it had around 80k miles, original paint and he only wanted $5500 for it.
tomtomgt356 said:All three generations of RX-7 were sold as 4-seaters in Japan for insurance reasons. As stated above, they were really only useful for groceries or children under 10 without a carseat. I think that the rear seats were an option on a couple of the generations here in the states, but I am not 100% certain.
Hell, the Triumph GT6 could be had with a back seat. If you were under 4 feet tall and sat sideways across the car, you could fit (I know, I did it 35 or so years ago lol)
Knurled. said:z31maniac said:
I am pretty sure that all RX-7s had 100 horsepower, or 105hp in later models.
weren't the FDs something like 250hp?
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