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Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/21/23 12:36 p.m.
Turbine said:

I need that bumper and passenger fender though lol 

Avatar checks out. wink

hybridmomentspass
hybridmomentspass Dork
2/22/23 6:01 a.m.

It's for sale

It is a quattro

porschenut
porschenut HalfDork
2/22/23 8:18 a.m.

If it is a quattro it is also manual, and maybe worth consideration.  I preferred the 5000, they had manual select on center and rear diff locks but that was more for fun, they refuse to get stuck regardless.  CIS efi sucks, headlights suck, window switches suck, feel free to add to the list.  They do handle well, are amazing in the snow and great highway cruisers.  Sold my last one in '13 so not sure how parts availability is now.  This one looks like it could eat a grand just getting on the road so it better be free.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 MegaDork
2/22/23 9:42 a.m.

A friend of mine picked up a 5000 back when they were giving them away because of the unintended acceleration thing.  It was a large, comfortable car with a conspicuously roomy interior.  The only thing sketchy that I remember about the pedals was that the brake pedal was tiny for a car with an automatic, especially for anyone used to driving an American sedan with an auto trans with its giant brake pedal.  Pretty sure they had one brake pedal for both auto and manual cars, and in the US, a lot of people screwed up since the brake was pretty close to the gas, and the pedal was small.

Cooper_Tired
Cooper_Tired HalfDork
2/22/23 10:24 a.m.

Friend got a 5000CS Quattro non running for free in 2002. It was a manual, turbo, AWD car. It was decently quick with ECu mods and it was an absolute tank. It was jumped over rail road tracks multiple times, off roaded and generally abused for ~ 4 years and didn't miss a beat. Was sold as a runner and it wouldn't surprise me if it was still alive. Parts were a bit tough to find IIRC, but not sure if that's better it worse now 
 

iansane
iansane Dork
2/22/23 11:13 a.m.
Noddaz said:

If you wanted an old German car to sink gobs of money into, that would be a great start.

There aren't any parts available, how would you sink money into it?

 

I kid, I kid. I love those cars. Back burner project for a friend a mine is a v8 into a 4000. Dumb. 

Berck
Berck Reader
2/23/23 3:14 a.m.

Yeah, the flush door handles means it's 1988-1990, sold in the U.S. as an Audi 100.  Before that it was the Audi 5000, but only in the U.S., presumably changed back to the Euro model number as a result of the 60-minutes unintended acceleration hit piece. 

Very cool. I'm going off my experience with the '87 5000, but easily the most unreliable car ever made.  The Cadillac-sourced climate control is likely now an unrepairable daemon that randomly oscillates between frigid and hell fire with no discernable relationship to the user-selected input.  Everything electrical is broken or will be after you buy it.  The steering rack leaks astonishingly expensive German hydraulic fluid, ideally onto the exhaust for the best olfactory experience possible.  The brakes are hydraulic assist from the same system as the steering (because the Germans know better) so when all the fluid leaks out, you won't be able to stop *or* turn.  If it has powered seats, they'll either not work at all, or randomly try to crush you.  The power mirrors move when you try to adjust them, but not in any discernable relationship to the direction you move the switches...  you get the idea.

But it has the best AWD system I've ever driven.  I can't get it stuck in the snow even on crappy all-season tires, and the ability to lock the center and rear diffs means it's a better low-traction vehicle than my Land Cruiser was.  Excellent (if heavy) steering feedback and handles astonishingly well for an immensely heavy vehicle.

My ownership story here: https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/why-do-you-keep-driving-an-unr/188608/page2/

CyberEric
CyberEric Dork
2/23/23 12:52 p.m.

Look up Audi 200 and Hagerty. Jason Cammisa's show. There's an Audi 200 on their with something like 800bhp from the inline 5. I think it ran like a 9 second quarter mile.

That might make you want to buy that hunk of junk and spend 10s of thousands on it. devil

Turbine
Turbine GRM+ Memberand Reader
2/23/23 4:24 p.m.

In reply to CyberEric :

That car was the one that got me into 5 cylinder Audis lol 
 

https://youtu.be/tdXhvTwUa8U

Here's the video. 10 years and several hundred horsepower ago 

Unfortunately, the one in this thread's a 10v, so not quite the same power potential. They do sound better than the 20v cars though (imo)

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/23/23 6:01 p.m.
CyberEric said:

Look up Audi 200 and Hagerty. Jason Cammisa's show. There's an Audi 200 on their with something like 800bhp from the inline 5. I think it ran like a 9 second quarter mile.

That might make you want to buy that hunk of junk and spend 10s of thousands on it. devil

There is a huge difference between a 10v turbo and a 20v.

It is easy to make about 250hp from the 10vt which is nice because you also struggle to make over 300hp.  IIRC the record in the US was 369hp.  They have cooling and oil pump issues, you can make more power with an 8v four.

20vts are mostly limited by rod strength and turbo size.  Stock rods are good for about 80 ft-lb per cylinder (same 144mm VW rods as everything else) so people usually limit themselves to about 450-500hp.

The 07k engine is better than all of them, in every way.

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